[theme-reviewers] Redux framework may be dialing home

Thu Oct 16 20:02:52 UTC 2014

@Srikanth Koneru That's a pretty extreme request when there are plenty of
WordPress functions that aren't used all the time. Can we compromise a
little here?

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Srikanth Koneru <tskk79 at gmail.com> wrote:

> if its not used, it should not be in the theme.
>
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Dovy Paukstys <dovy at reduxframework.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Just to clarify, can the tracking code remain, but be disabled if I
>> supply WordPress.org theme developers the code to ensure it never runs.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>
>>> Whatever you can do to remove the trackers all along would be great and
>>> highly appreciated. I am here to help out as much as I know and can :)
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Dovy Paukstys <dovy at reduxframework.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Emil:
>>>> I do have a hook I can supply to remove the tracking as well. Would
>>>> that suffice if we put it in the documentation primarily for the WP.org
>>>> themes?
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you are referring to plugins, sorry bud that's beyond theme review
>>>>> reach, you will have to take that with them :)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Dovy Paukstys <
>>>>> dovy at reduxframework.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Emil:
>>>>>> Then can I request that Yoast has the same process be given to them?
>>>>>> I'm all for fairness here and I would never do anything that I didn't see
>>>>>> another market player doing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We don't want trackers period! So far I had to suspend about 10
>>>>>>> themes and there is bunch more. Not cool at all :(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Dovy Paukstys <
>>>>>>> dovy at reduxframework.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @Tammie Lister Indeed. We want to be completely transparent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We do opt-in tracking to discover any issues we may have with
>>>>>>>> various plugins and setup as we're integrated to themes and plugins. That
>>>>>>>> is open and wide for anyone to see. We do this because we don't want people
>>>>>>>> to think we're "stealing" anything that pinpoints them, and also lets users
>>>>>>>> see what they're up against when developing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The sites are completely anonymous. There's no way for us to track
>>>>>>>> it to any individual site at all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We took direction for our tracking class from the quite widely
>>>>>>>> used WordPress SEO by Yoast plugin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The class does the following:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    - Checks once a week and submits to our tracking service using
>>>>>>>>    a unique one-way hash.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's it. Then we compare our user base vs what we're coding
>>>>>>>> about. When we see a user post about an inconsistency with a theme or
>>>>>>>> plugin, we inspect more heavily if there is more widely used.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If users wish, they can also load their own "hash" in their theme
>>>>>>>> to see a drill-down of their theme's data. All that does is add an extra
>>>>>>>> developer key, and allow us to filter the results.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @Srikanth Koneru We did not update to WordPress.com since I didn't
>>>>>>>> think WordPress.com allows frameworks and we do not have access. If WP.com
>>>>>>>> DOES allow Redux, then man I need to redo my WordPress.com themes I am
>>>>>>>> building!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @Emil Uzelac Would you prefer us to not visibly show the tracking
>>>>>>>> data? We use it show statistics and most used plugins that utilize Redux.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @Afzaal (ThinkUpThemes) Is the concern that we're tracking the
>>>>>>>> issue or that we're showing it publicly? This is COMPLETELY anonymous. If
>>>>>>>> it's a concern, we can remove that site instantly. We'll just put it behind
>>>>>>>> our developer's login wall instead.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @everyone Again all, we are completely transparent here and we're
>>>>>>>> not doing anything different than one of the most successful plugins on
>>>>>>>> WordPress.org does, except that we're showing the data to be transparent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Tammie Lister <
>>>>>>>> karmatosed at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  So Dovy, can you explain this also:
>>>>>>>>> http://jsbin.com/ugELElU/1
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Tammie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 16/10/2014 20:28, Dovy Paukstys wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> @Otto + Others:
>>>>>>>>> Lead developer of Redux Framework here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In regards to Redux Framework, there was indeed an error in our
>>>>>>>>> code causing some instances to dial-back even when set to opt-out. This was
>>>>>>>>> not our intent or desire to "dial-home". It was a mistake in coding between
>>>>>>>>> JS and PHP.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  A patch has been made and new version of Redux has been deployed
>>>>>>>>> to WP.com and our repository. Everything should now fit well within your
>>>>>>>>> requirements.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Redux aims to always follow the guidelines. If you find any
>>>>>>>>> issue in the future, do not hesitate to contact me directly at
>>>>>>>>> dovy at reduxframework.com. I am now also on this list and will
>>>>>>>>> watch for any issues that may come up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  In our next newsletter I will also urge developers to update to
>>>>>>>>> the newest version of Redux especially for WP.com themes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Thank you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Towfiq I. <tislam100 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Before suspending, I request you to warn the developers about
>>>>>>>>>> this in the review ticket. Many of the developers doesn't even know about
>>>>>>>>>> this. One of my themes uses redux and I noticed the tracking.php file while
>>>>>>>>>> developing and removed it. Maybe they should have a chance to do that too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just my two cents
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  I'll see if I can find them all in trac.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  The hell?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  The answer is a very clear cut no, you can't do that. If any
>>>>>>>>>>>> themes in the directory currently have this, they should be immediately
>>>>>>>>>>>> suspended.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  -Otto
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Not to mention that what they done here, well sucks:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://jsbin.com/ugELElU/1. Redux is revealing more than they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> should!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> Towfiq I.
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