[theme-reviewers] Redux framework may be dialing home

Thu Oct 16 20:00:32 UTC 2014

if its not used, it should not be in the theme.

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Dovy Paukstys <dovy at reduxframework.com>
wrote:

> Just to clarify, can the tracking code remain, but be disabled if I supply
> WordPress.org theme developers the code to ensure it never runs.
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>
>> Whatever you can do to remove the trackers all along would be great and
>> highly appreciated. I am here to help out as much as I know and can :)
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Dovy Paukstys <dovy at reduxframework.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Emil:
>>> I do have a hook I can supply to remove the tracking as well. Would that
>>> suffice if we put it in the documentation primarily for the WP.org themes?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you are referring to plugins, sorry bud that's beyond theme review
>>>> reach, you will have to take that with them :)
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Dovy Paukstys <dovy at reduxframework.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Emil:
>>>>> Then can I request that Yoast has the same process be given to them?
>>>>> I'm all for fairness here and I would never do anything that I didn't see
>>>>> another market player doing.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We don't want trackers period! So far I had to suspend about 10
>>>>>> themes and there is bunch more. Not cool at all :(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Dovy Paukstys <
>>>>>> dovy at reduxframework.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @Tammie Lister Indeed. We want to be completely transparent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We do opt-in tracking to discover any issues we may have with
>>>>>>> various plugins and setup as we're integrated to themes and plugins. That
>>>>>>> is open and wide for anyone to see. We do this because we don't want people
>>>>>>> to think we're "stealing" anything that pinpoints them, and also lets users
>>>>>>> see what they're up against when developing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The sites are completely anonymous. There's no way for us to track
>>>>>>> it to any individual site at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We took direction for our tracking class from the quite widely
>>>>>>> used WordPress SEO by Yoast plugin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The class does the following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    - Checks once a week and submits to our tracking service using a
>>>>>>>    unique one-way hash.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's it. Then we compare our user base vs what we're coding about.
>>>>>>> When we see a user post about an inconsistency with a theme or plugin, we
>>>>>>> inspect more heavily if there is more widely used.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If users wish, they can also load their own "hash" in their theme to
>>>>>>> see a drill-down of their theme's data. All that does is add an extra
>>>>>>> developer key, and allow us to filter the results.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @Srikanth Koneru We did not update to WordPress.com since I didn't
>>>>>>> think WordPress.com allows frameworks and we do not have access. If WP.com
>>>>>>> DOES allow Redux, then man I need to redo my WordPress.com themes I am
>>>>>>> building!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @Emil Uzelac Would you prefer us to not visibly show the tracking
>>>>>>> data? We use it show statistics and most used plugins that utilize Redux.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @Afzaal (ThinkUpThemes) Is the concern that we're tracking the
>>>>>>> issue or that we're showing it publicly? This is COMPLETELY anonymous. If
>>>>>>> it's a concern, we can remove that site instantly. We'll just put it behind
>>>>>>> our developer's login wall instead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @everyone Again all, we are completely transparent here and we're
>>>>>>> not doing anything different than one of the most successful plugins on
>>>>>>> WordPress.org does, except that we're showing the data to be transparent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Tammie Lister <karmatosed at gmail.com
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  So Dovy, can you explain this also:
>>>>>>>> http://jsbin.com/ugELElU/1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Tammie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 16/10/2014 20:28, Dovy Paukstys wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @Otto + Others:
>>>>>>>> Lead developer of Redux Framework here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In regards to Redux Framework, there was indeed an error in our
>>>>>>>> code causing some instances to dial-back even when set to opt-out. This was
>>>>>>>> not our intent or desire to "dial-home". It was a mistake in coding between
>>>>>>>> JS and PHP.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  A patch has been made and new version of Redux has been deployed
>>>>>>>> to WP.com and our repository. Everything should now fit well within your
>>>>>>>> requirements.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Redux aims to always follow the guidelines. If you find any issue
>>>>>>>> in the future, do not hesitate to contact me directly at
>>>>>>>> dovy at reduxframework.com. I am now also on this list and will watch
>>>>>>>> for any issues that may come up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  In our next newsletter I will also urge developers to update to
>>>>>>>> the newest version of Redux especially for WP.com themes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Thank you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Towfiq I. <tislam100 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Before suspending, I request you to warn the developers about this
>>>>>>>>> in the review ticket. Many of the developers doesn't even know about this.
>>>>>>>>> One of my themes uses redux and I noticed the tracking.php file while
>>>>>>>>> developing and removed it. Maybe they should have a chance to do that too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just my two cents
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  I'll see if I can find them all in trac.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  The hell?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  The answer is a very clear cut no, you can't do that. If any
>>>>>>>>>>> themes in the directory currently have this, they should be immediately
>>>>>>>>>>> suspended.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  -Otto
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Not to mention that what they done here, well sucks:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://jsbin.com/ugELElU/1. Redux is revealing more than they
>>>>>>>>>>>> should!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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