[theme-reviewers] Redux framework may be dialing home

Thu Oct 16 19:59:16 UTC 2014

Just to clarify, can the tracking code remain, but be disabled if I supply
WordPress.org theme developers the code to ensure it never runs.

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:

> Whatever you can do to remove the trackers all along would be great and
> highly appreciated. I am here to help out as much as I know and can :)
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Dovy Paukstys <dovy at reduxframework.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Emil:
>> I do have a hook I can supply to remove the tracking as well. Would that
>> suffice if we put it in the documentation primarily for the WP.org themes?
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>
>>> If you are referring to plugins, sorry bud that's beyond theme review
>>> reach, you will have to take that with them :)
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Dovy Paukstys <dovy at reduxframework.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Emil:
>>>> Then can I request that Yoast has the same process be given to them?
>>>> I'm all for fairness here and I would never do anything that I didn't see
>>>> another market player doing.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We don't want trackers period! So far I had to suspend about 10 themes
>>>>> and there is bunch more. Not cool at all :(
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Dovy Paukstys <
>>>>> dovy at reduxframework.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> @Tammie Lister Indeed. We want to be completely transparent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We do opt-in tracking to discover any issues we may have with various
>>>>>> plugins and setup as we're integrated to themes and plugins. That is open
>>>>>> and wide for anyone to see. We do this because we don't want people to
>>>>>> think we're "stealing" anything that pinpoints them, and also lets users
>>>>>> see what they're up against when developing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The sites are completely anonymous. There's no way for us to track it
>>>>>> to any individual site at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We took direction for our tracking class from the quite widely
>>>>>> used WordPress SEO by Yoast plugin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The class does the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    - Checks once a week and submits to our tracking service using a
>>>>>>    unique one-way hash.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's it. Then we compare our user base vs what we're coding about.
>>>>>> When we see a user post about an inconsistency with a theme or plugin, we
>>>>>> inspect more heavily if there is more widely used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If users wish, they can also load their own "hash" in their theme to
>>>>>> see a drill-down of their theme's data. All that does is add an extra
>>>>>> developer key, and allow us to filter the results.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @Srikanth Koneru We did not update to WordPress.com since I didn't
>>>>>> think WordPress.com allows frameworks and we do not have access. If WP.com
>>>>>> DOES allow Redux, then man I need to redo my WordPress.com themes I am
>>>>>> building!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @Emil Uzelac Would you prefer us to not visibly show the tracking
>>>>>> data? We use it show statistics and most used plugins that utilize Redux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @Afzaal (ThinkUpThemes) Is the concern that we're tracking the issue
>>>>>> or that we're showing it publicly? This is COMPLETELY anonymous. If it's a
>>>>>> concern, we can remove that site instantly. We'll just put it behind our
>>>>>> developer's login wall instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @everyone Again all, we are completely transparent here and we're not
>>>>>> doing anything different than one of the most successful plugins on
>>>>>> WordPress.org does, except that we're showing the data to be transparent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Tammie Lister <karmatosed at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  So Dovy, can you explain this also:
>>>>>>> http://jsbin.com/ugELElU/1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Tammie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16/10/2014 20:28, Dovy Paukstys wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @Otto + Others:
>>>>>>> Lead developer of Redux Framework here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In regards to Redux Framework, there was indeed an error in our code
>>>>>>> causing some instances to dial-back even when set to opt-out. This was not
>>>>>>> our intent or desire to "dial-home". It was a mistake in coding between JS
>>>>>>> and PHP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  A patch has been made and new version of Redux has been deployed
>>>>>>> to WP.com and our repository. Everything should now fit well within your
>>>>>>> requirements.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Redux aims to always follow the guidelines. If you find any issue
>>>>>>> in the future, do not hesitate to contact me directly at
>>>>>>> dovy at reduxframework.com. I am now also on this list and will watch
>>>>>>> for any issues that may come up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  In our next newsletter I will also urge developers to update to
>>>>>>> the newest version of Redux especially for WP.com themes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Thank you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Towfiq I. <tislam100 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Before suspending, I request you to warn the developers about this
>>>>>>>> in the review ticket. Many of the developers doesn't even know about this.
>>>>>>>> One of my themes uses redux and I noticed the tracking.php file while
>>>>>>>> developing and removed it. Maybe they should have a chance to do that too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just my two cents
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  I'll see if I can find them all in trac.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  The hell?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  The answer is a very clear cut no, you can't do that. If any
>>>>>>>>>> themes in the directory currently have this, they should be immediately
>>>>>>>>>> suspended.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  -Otto
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Not to mention that what they done here, well sucks:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://jsbin.com/ugELElU/1. Redux is revealing more than they
>>>>>>>>>>> should!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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