[theme-reviewers] Redux framework may be dialing home

Thu Oct 16 19:56:11 UTC 2014

Whatever you can do to remove the trackers all along would be great and
highly appreciated. I am here to help out as much as I know and can :)

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Dovy Paukstys <dovy at reduxframework.com>
wrote:

> Emil:
> I do have a hook I can supply to remove the tracking as well. Would that
> suffice if we put it in the documentation primarily for the WP.org themes?
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>
>> If you are referring to plugins, sorry bud that's beyond theme review
>> reach, you will have to take that with them :)
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Dovy Paukstys <dovy at reduxframework.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Emil:
>>> Then can I request that Yoast has the same process be given to them? I'm
>>> all for fairness here and I would never do anything that I didn't see
>>> another market player doing.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We don't want trackers period! So far I had to suspend about 10 themes
>>>> and there is bunch more. Not cool at all :(
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Dovy Paukstys <dovy at reduxframework.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> @Tammie Lister Indeed. We want to be completely transparent.
>>>>>
>>>>> We do opt-in tracking to discover any issues we may have with various
>>>>> plugins and setup as we're integrated to themes and plugins. That is open
>>>>> and wide for anyone to see. We do this because we don't want people to
>>>>> think we're "stealing" anything that pinpoints them, and also lets users
>>>>> see what they're up against when developing.
>>>>>
>>>>> The sites are completely anonymous. There's no way for us to track it
>>>>> to any individual site at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> We took direction for our tracking class from the quite widely
>>>>> used WordPress SEO by Yoast plugin.
>>>>>
>>>>> The class does the following:
>>>>>
>>>>>    - Checks once a week and submits to our tracking service using a
>>>>>    unique one-way hash.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's it. Then we compare our user base vs what we're coding about.
>>>>> When we see a user post about an inconsistency with a theme or plugin, we
>>>>> inspect more heavily if there is more widely used.
>>>>>
>>>>> If users wish, they can also load their own "hash" in their theme to
>>>>> see a drill-down of their theme's data. All that does is add an extra
>>>>> developer key, and allow us to filter the results.
>>>>>
>>>>> @Srikanth Koneru We did not update to WordPress.com since I didn't
>>>>> think WordPress.com allows frameworks and we do not have access. If WP.com
>>>>> DOES allow Redux, then man I need to redo my WordPress.com themes I am
>>>>> building!
>>>>>
>>>>> @Emil Uzelac Would you prefer us to not visibly show the tracking
>>>>> data? We use it show statistics and most used plugins that utilize Redux.
>>>>>
>>>>> @Afzaal (ThinkUpThemes) Is the concern that we're tracking the issue
>>>>> or that we're showing it publicly? This is COMPLETELY anonymous. If it's a
>>>>> concern, we can remove that site instantly. We'll just put it behind our
>>>>> developer's login wall instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> @everyone Again all, we are completely transparent here and we're not
>>>>> doing anything different than one of the most successful plugins on
>>>>> WordPress.org does, except that we're showing the data to be transparent.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Tammie Lister <karmatosed at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  So Dovy, can you explain this also:
>>>>>> http://jsbin.com/ugELElU/1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Tammie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16/10/2014 20:28, Dovy Paukstys wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @Otto + Others:
>>>>>> Lead developer of Redux Framework here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In regards to Redux Framework, there was indeed an error in our code
>>>>>> causing some instances to dial-back even when set to opt-out. This was not
>>>>>> our intent or desire to "dial-home". It was a mistake in coding between JS
>>>>>> and PHP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  A patch has been made and new version of Redux has been deployed to
>>>>>> WP.com and our repository. Everything should now fit well within your
>>>>>> requirements.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Redux aims to always follow the guidelines. If you find any issue
>>>>>> in the future, do not hesitate to contact me directly at
>>>>>> dovy at reduxframework.com. I am now also on this list and will watch
>>>>>> for any issues that may come up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  In our next newsletter I will also urge developers to update to the
>>>>>> newest version of Redux especially for WP.com themes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Thank you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Towfiq I. <tislam100 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Before suspending, I request you to warn the developers about this
>>>>>>> in the review ticket. Many of the developers doesn't even know about this.
>>>>>>> One of my themes uses redux and I noticed the tracking.php file while
>>>>>>> developing and removed it. Maybe they should have a chance to do that too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just my two cents
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  I'll see if I can find them all in trac.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  The hell?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  The answer is a very clear cut no, you can't do that. If any
>>>>>>>>> themes in the directory currently have this, they should be immediately
>>>>>>>>> suspended.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  -Otto
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Not to mention that what they done here, well sucks:
>>>>>>>>>> http://jsbin.com/ugELElU/1. Redux is revealing more than they
>>>>>>>>>> should!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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