[theme-reviewers] Redux framework may be dialing home

Thu Oct 16 19:54:29 UTC 2014

Emil:
I do have a hook I can supply to remove the tracking as well. Would that
suffice if we put it in the documentation primarily for the WP.org themes?

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:

> If you are referring to plugins, sorry bud that's beyond theme review
> reach, you will have to take that with them :)
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Dovy Paukstys <dovy at reduxframework.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Emil:
>> Then can I request that Yoast has the same process be given to them? I'm
>> all for fairness here and I would never do anything that I didn't see
>> another market player doing.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>
>>> We don't want trackers period! So far I had to suspend about 10 themes
>>> and there is bunch more. Not cool at all :(
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Dovy Paukstys <dovy at reduxframework.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> @Tammie Lister Indeed. We want to be completely transparent.
>>>>
>>>> We do opt-in tracking to discover any issues we may have with various
>>>> plugins and setup as we're integrated to themes and plugins. That is open
>>>> and wide for anyone to see. We do this because we don't want people to
>>>> think we're "stealing" anything that pinpoints them, and also lets users
>>>> see what they're up against when developing.
>>>>
>>>> The sites are completely anonymous. There's no way for us to track it
>>>> to any individual site at all.
>>>>
>>>> We took direction for our tracking class from the quite widely
>>>> used WordPress SEO by Yoast plugin.
>>>>
>>>> The class does the following:
>>>>
>>>>    - Checks once a week and submits to our tracking service using a
>>>>    unique one-way hash.
>>>>
>>>> That's it. Then we compare our user base vs what we're coding about.
>>>> When we see a user post about an inconsistency with a theme or plugin, we
>>>> inspect more heavily if there is more widely used.
>>>>
>>>> If users wish, they can also load their own "hash" in their theme to
>>>> see a drill-down of their theme's data. All that does is add an extra
>>>> developer key, and allow us to filter the results.
>>>>
>>>> @Srikanth Koneru We did not update to WordPress.com since I didn't
>>>> think WordPress.com allows frameworks and we do not have access. If WP.com
>>>> DOES allow Redux, then man I need to redo my WordPress.com themes I am
>>>> building!
>>>>
>>>> @Emil Uzelac Would you prefer us to not visibly show the tracking
>>>> data? We use it show statistics and most used plugins that utilize Redux.
>>>>
>>>> @Afzaal (ThinkUpThemes) Is the concern that we're tracking the issue
>>>> or that we're showing it publicly? This is COMPLETELY anonymous. If it's a
>>>> concern, we can remove that site instantly. We'll just put it behind our
>>>> developer's login wall instead.
>>>>
>>>> @everyone Again all, we are completely transparent here and we're not
>>>> doing anything different than one of the most successful plugins on
>>>> WordPress.org does, except that we're showing the data to be transparent.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Tammie Lister <karmatosed at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  So Dovy, can you explain this also:
>>>>> http://jsbin.com/ugELElU/1
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Tammie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16/10/2014 20:28, Dovy Paukstys wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> @Otto + Others:
>>>>> Lead developer of Redux Framework here.
>>>>>
>>>>> In regards to Redux Framework, there was indeed an error in our code
>>>>> causing some instances to dial-back even when set to opt-out. This was not
>>>>> our intent or desire to "dial-home". It was a mistake in coding between JS
>>>>> and PHP.
>>>>>
>>>>>  A patch has been made and new version of Redux has been deployed to
>>>>> WP.com and our repository. Everything should now fit well within your
>>>>> requirements.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Redux aims to always follow the guidelines. If you find any issue in
>>>>> the future, do not hesitate to contact me directly at
>>>>> dovy at reduxframework.com. I am now also on this list and will watch
>>>>> for any issues that may come up.
>>>>>
>>>>>  In our next newsletter I will also urge developers to update to the
>>>>> newest version of Redux especially for WP.com themes.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Towfiq I. <tislam100 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Before suspending, I request you to warn the developers about this in
>>>>>> the review ticket. Many of the developers doesn't even know about this. One
>>>>>> of my themes uses redux and I noticed the tracking.php file while
>>>>>> developing and removed it. Maybe they should have a chance to do that too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just my two cents
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I'll see if I can find them all in trac.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  The hell?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  The answer is a very clear cut no, you can't do that. If any
>>>>>>>> themes in the directory currently have this, they should be immediately
>>>>>>>> suspended.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  -Otto
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Not to mention that what they done here, well sucks:
>>>>>>>>> http://jsbin.com/ugELElU/1. Redux is revealing more than they
>>>>>>>>> should!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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