[theme-reviewers] Redux framework may be dialing home

Thu Oct 16 19:52:35 UTC 2014

If you are referring to plugins, sorry bud that's beyond theme review
reach, you will have to take that with them :)

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Dovy Paukstys <dovy at reduxframework.com>
wrote:

> Emil:
> Then can I request that Yoast has the same process be given to them? I'm
> all for fairness here and I would never do anything that I didn't see
> another market player doing.
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>
>> We don't want trackers period! So far I had to suspend about 10 themes
>> and there is bunch more. Not cool at all :(
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Dovy Paukstys <dovy at reduxframework.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> @Tammie Lister Indeed. We want to be completely transparent.
>>>
>>> We do opt-in tracking to discover any issues we may have with various
>>> plugins and setup as we're integrated to themes and plugins. That is open
>>> and wide for anyone to see. We do this because we don't want people to
>>> think we're "stealing" anything that pinpoints them, and also lets users
>>> see what they're up against when developing.
>>>
>>> The sites are completely anonymous. There's no way for us to track it to
>>> any individual site at all.
>>>
>>> We took direction for our tracking class from the quite widely
>>> used WordPress SEO by Yoast plugin.
>>>
>>> The class does the following:
>>>
>>>    - Checks once a week and submits to our tracking service using a
>>>    unique one-way hash.
>>>
>>> That's it. Then we compare our user base vs what we're coding about.
>>> When we see a user post about an inconsistency with a theme or plugin, we
>>> inspect more heavily if there is more widely used.
>>>
>>> If users wish, they can also load their own "hash" in their theme to see
>>> a drill-down of their theme's data. All that does is add an extra developer
>>> key, and allow us to filter the results.
>>>
>>> @Srikanth Koneru We did not update to WordPress.com since I didn't think
>>> WordPress.com allows frameworks and we do not have access. If WP.com DOES
>>> allow Redux, then man I need to redo my WordPress.com themes I am building!
>>>
>>> @Emil Uzelac Would you prefer us to not visibly show the tracking data?
>>> We use it show statistics and most used plugins that utilize Redux.
>>>
>>> @Afzaal (ThinkUpThemes) Is the concern that we're tracking the issue or
>>> that we're showing it publicly? This is COMPLETELY anonymous. If it's a
>>> concern, we can remove that site instantly. We'll just put it behind our
>>> developer's login wall instead.
>>>
>>> @everyone Again all, we are completely transparent here and we're not
>>> doing anything different than one of the most successful plugins on
>>> WordPress.org does, except that we're showing the data to be transparent.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Tammie Lister <karmatosed at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  So Dovy, can you explain this also:
>>>> http://jsbin.com/ugELElU/1
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Tammie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 16/10/2014 20:28, Dovy Paukstys wrote:
>>>>
>>>> @Otto + Others:
>>>> Lead developer of Redux Framework here.
>>>>
>>>> In regards to Redux Framework, there was indeed an error in our code
>>>> causing some instances to dial-back even when set to opt-out. This was not
>>>> our intent or desire to "dial-home". It was a mistake in coding between JS
>>>> and PHP.
>>>>
>>>>  A patch has been made and new version of Redux has been deployed to
>>>> WP.com and our repository. Everything should now fit well within your
>>>> requirements.
>>>>
>>>>  Redux aims to always follow the guidelines. If you find any issue in
>>>> the future, do not hesitate to contact me directly at
>>>> dovy at reduxframework.com. I am now also on this list and will watch for
>>>> any issues that may come up.
>>>>
>>>>  In our next newsletter I will also urge developers to update to the
>>>> newest version of Redux especially for WP.com themes.
>>>>
>>>>  Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Towfiq I. <tislam100 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Before suspending, I request you to warn the developers about this in
>>>>> the review ticket. Many of the developers doesn't even know about this. One
>>>>> of my themes uses redux and I noticed the tracking.php file while
>>>>> developing and removed it. Maybe they should have a chance to do that too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my two cents
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  I'll see if I can find them all in trac.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  The hell?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  The answer is a very clear cut no, you can't do that. If any
>>>>>>> themes in the directory currently have this, they should be immediately
>>>>>>> suspended.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  -Otto
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Not to mention that what they done here, well sucks:
>>>>>>>> http://jsbin.com/ugELElU/1. Redux is revealing more than they
>>>>>>>> should!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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