[theme-reviewers] Redux framework may be dialing home

Thu Oct 16 19:49:08 UTC 2014

Emil:
Then can I request that Yoast has the same process be given to them? I'm
all for fairness here and I would never do anything that I didn't see
another market player doing.

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:

> We don't want trackers period! So far I had to suspend about 10 themes and
> there is bunch more. Not cool at all :(
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Dovy Paukstys <dovy at reduxframework.com>
> wrote:
>
>> @Tammie Lister Indeed. We want to be completely transparent.
>>
>> We do opt-in tracking to discover any issues we may have with various
>> plugins and setup as we're integrated to themes and plugins. That is open
>> and wide for anyone to see. We do this because we don't want people to
>> think we're "stealing" anything that pinpoints them, and also lets users
>> see what they're up against when developing.
>>
>> The sites are completely anonymous. There's no way for us to track it to
>> any individual site at all.
>>
>> We took direction for our tracking class from the quite widely
>> used WordPress SEO by Yoast plugin.
>>
>> The class does the following:
>>
>>    - Checks once a week and submits to our tracking service using a
>>    unique one-way hash.
>>
>> That's it. Then we compare our user base vs what we're coding about. When
>> we see a user post about an inconsistency with a theme or plugin, we
>> inspect more heavily if there is more widely used.
>>
>> If users wish, they can also load their own "hash" in their theme to see
>> a drill-down of their theme's data. All that does is add an extra developer
>> key, and allow us to filter the results.
>>
>> @Srikanth Koneru We did not update to WordPress.com since I didn't think
>> WordPress.com allows frameworks and we do not have access. If WP.com DOES
>> allow Redux, then man I need to redo my WordPress.com themes I am building!
>>
>> @Emil Uzelac Would you prefer us to not visibly show the tracking data?
>> We use it show statistics and most used plugins that utilize Redux.
>>
>> @Afzaal (ThinkUpThemes) Is the concern that we're tracking the issue or
>> that we're showing it publicly? This is COMPLETELY anonymous. If it's a
>> concern, we can remove that site instantly. We'll just put it behind our
>> developer's login wall instead.
>>
>> @everyone Again all, we are completely transparent here and we're not
>> doing anything different than one of the most successful plugins on
>> WordPress.org does, except that we're showing the data to be transparent.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Tammie Lister <karmatosed at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  So Dovy, can you explain this also:
>>> http://jsbin.com/ugELElU/1
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Tammie
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16/10/2014 20:28, Dovy Paukstys wrote:
>>>
>>> @Otto + Others:
>>> Lead developer of Redux Framework here.
>>>
>>> In regards to Redux Framework, there was indeed an error in our code
>>> causing some instances to dial-back even when set to opt-out. This was not
>>> our intent or desire to "dial-home". It was a mistake in coding between JS
>>> and PHP.
>>>
>>>  A patch has been made and new version of Redux has been deployed to
>>> WP.com and our repository. Everything should now fit well within your
>>> requirements.
>>>
>>>  Redux aims to always follow the guidelines. If you find any issue in
>>> the future, do not hesitate to contact me directly at
>>> dovy at reduxframework.com. I am now also on this list and will watch for
>>> any issues that may come up.
>>>
>>>  In our next newsletter I will also urge developers to update to the
>>> newest version of Redux especially for WP.com themes.
>>>
>>>  Thank you.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Towfiq I. <tislam100 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Before suspending, I request you to warn the developers about this in
>>>> the review ticket. Many of the developers doesn't even know about this. One
>>>> of my themes uses redux and I noticed the tracking.php file while
>>>> developing and removed it. Maybe they should have a chance to do that too.
>>>>
>>>> Just my two cents
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  I'll see if I can find them all in trac.
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  The hell?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  The answer is a very clear cut no, you can't do that. If any themes
>>>>>> in the directory currently have this, they should be immediately suspended.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  -Otto
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Not to mention that what they done here, well sucks:
>>>>>>> http://jsbin.com/ugELElU/1. Redux is revealing more than they
>>>>>>> should!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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