[theme-reviewers] Redux framework may be dialing home
Tammie Lister
karmatosed at gmail.com
Thu Oct 16 20:03:25 UTC 2014
There should be no tracking code on / off or anything in themes. To me
that's a very binary decision without any variation.
Thanks
Tammie Lister
On 16/10/2014 20:59, Dovy Paukstys wrote:
> Just to clarify, can the tracking code remain, but be disabled if I
> supply WordPress.org theme developers the code to ensure it never runs.
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me
> <mailto:emil at uzelac.me>> wrote:
>
> Whatever you can do to remove the trackers all along would be
> great and highly appreciated. I am here to help out as much as I
> know and can :)
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Dovy Paukstys
> <dovy at reduxframework.com <mailto:dovy at reduxframework.com>> wrote:
>
> Emil:
> I do have a hook I can supply to remove the tracking as well.
> Would that suffice if we put it in the documentation primarily
> for the WP.org themes?
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me
> <mailto:emil at uzelac.me>> wrote:
>
> If you are referring to plugins, sorry bud that's beyond
> theme review reach, you will have to take that with them :)
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Dovy Paukstys
> <dovy at reduxframework.com <mailto:dovy at reduxframework.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Emil:
> Then can I request that Yoast has the same process be
> given to them? I'm all for fairness here and I would
> never do anything that I didn't see another market
> player doing.
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Emil Uzelac
> <emil at uzelac.me <mailto:emil at uzelac.me>> wrote:
>
> We don't want trackers period! So far I had to
> suspend about 10 themes and there is bunch more.
> Not cool at all :(
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Dovy Paukstys
> <dovy at reduxframework.com
> <mailto:dovy at reduxframework.com>> wrote:
>
> @Tammie Lister Indeed. We want to be
> completely transparent.
>
> We do opt-in tracking to discover any issues
> we may have with various plugins and setup as
> we're integrated to themes and plugins. That
> is open and wide for anyone to see. We do this
> because we don't want people to think we're
> "stealing" anything that pinpoints them, and
> also lets users see what they're up against
> when developing.
>
> The sites are completely anonymous. There's no
> way for us to track it to any individual site
> at all.
>
> We took direction for our tracking class from
> the quite widely used WordPress SEO by Yoast
> plugin.
>
> The class does the following:
>
> * Checks once a week and submits to our
> tracking service using a unique one-way hash.
>
> That's it. Then we compare our user base vs
> what we're coding about. When we see a user
> post about an inconsistency with a theme or
> plugin, we inspect more heavily if there is
> more widely used.
>
> If users wish, they can also load their own
> "hash" in their theme to see a drill-down of
> their theme's data. All that does is add an
> extra developer key, and allow us to filter
> the results.
>
> @Srikanth Koneru We did not update to
> WordPress.com since I didn't think
> WordPress.com allows frameworks and we do not
> have access. If WP.com DOES allow Redux, then
> man I need to redo my WordPress.com themes I
> am building!
>
> @Emil UzelacWould you prefer us to not visibly
> show the tracking data? We use it show
> statistics and most used plugins that utilize
> Redux.
>
> @Afzaal (ThinkUpThemes) Is the concern that
> we're tracking the issue or that we're showing
> it publicly? This is COMPLETELY anonymous. If
> it's a concern, we can remove that
> site instantly. We'll just put it behind our
> developer's login wall instead.
>
> @everyone Again all, we are completely
> transparent here and we're not doing anything
> different than one of the most successful
> plugins on WordPress.org does, except that
> we're showing the data to be transparent.
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Tammie Lister
> <karmatosed at gmail.com
> <mailto:karmatosed at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> So Dovy, can you explain this also:
> http://jsbin.com/ugELElU/1
>
> Thanks,
> Tammie
>
>
> On 16/10/2014 20:28, Dovy Paukstys wrote:
>> @Otto + Others:
>> Lead developer of Redux Framework here.
>>
>> In regards to Redux Framework, there was
>> indeed an error in our code causing some
>> instances to dial-back even when set to
>> opt-out. This was not our intent or
>> desire to "dial-home". It was a mistake
>> in coding between JS and PHP.
>>
>> A patch has been made and new version of
>> Redux has been deployed to WP.com and our
>> repository. Everything should now fit
>> well within your requirements.
>>
>> Redux aims to always follow the
>> guidelines. If you find any issue in the
>> future, do not hesitate to contact me
>> directly at dovy at reduxframework.com
>> <mailto:dovy at reduxframework.com>. I am
>> now also on this list and will watch for
>> any issues that may come up.
>>
>> In our next newsletter I will also urge
>> developers to update to the newest
>> version of Redux especially for WP.com
>> themes.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Towfiq
>> I. <tislam100 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:tislam100 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Before suspending, I request you to
>> warn the developers about this in the
>> review ticket. Many of the developers
>> doesn't even know about this. One of
>> my themes uses redux and I noticed
>> the tracking.php file while
>> developing and removed it. Maybe they
>> should have a chance to do that too.
>>
>> Just my two cents
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:29 AM,
>> Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me
>> <mailto:emil at uzelac.me>> wrote:
>>
>> I'll see if I can find them all
>> in trac.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:17 PM,
>> Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com
>> <mailto:otto at ottodestruct.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> The hell?
>>
>> The answer is a very clear
>> cut no, you can't do that. If
>> any themes in the directory
>> currently have this, they
>> should be immediately suspended.
>>
>> -Otto
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:09
>> PM, Emil Uzelac
>> <emil at uzelac.me
>> <mailto:emil at uzelac.me>> wrote:
>>
>> Not to mention that what
>> they done here, well
>> sucks:
>> http://jsbin.com/ugELElU/1.
>> Redux is revealing more
>> than they should!
>>
>>
>>
>>
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