<div dir="ltr">@<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8000001907349px;font-weight:bold;white-space:nowrap">Srikanth Koneru </span>That's a pretty extreme request when there are plenty of WordPress functions that aren't used all the time. Can we compromise a little here?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Srikanth Koneru <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tskk79@gmail.com" target="_blank">tskk79@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">if its not used, it should not be in the theme.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Dovy Paukstys <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dovy@reduxframework.com" target="_blank">dovy@reduxframework.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr">Just to clarify, can the tracking code remain, but be disabled if I supply WordPress.org theme developers the code to ensure it never runs.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Emil Uzelac <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:emil@uzelac.me" target="_blank">emil@uzelac.me</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Whatever you can do to remove the trackers all along would be great and highly appreciated. I am here to help out as much as I know and can :)</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Dovy Paukstys <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dovy@reduxframework.com" target="_blank">dovy@reduxframework.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Emil:<br>I do have a hook I can supply to remove the tracking as well. Would that suffice if we put it in the documentation primarily for the WP.org themes?</div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Emil Uzelac <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:emil@uzelac.me" target="_blank">emil@uzelac.me</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">If you are referring to plugins, sorry bud that's beyond theme review reach, you will have to take that with them :)</div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Dovy Paukstys <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dovy@reduxframework.com" target="_blank">dovy@reduxframework.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Emil:<br>Then can I request that Yoast has the same process be given to them? I'm all for fairness here and I would never do anything that I didn't see another market player doing.<br></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Emil Uzelac <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:emil@uzelac.me" target="_blank">emil@uzelac.me</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">We don't want trackers period! So far I had to suspend about 10 themes and there is bunch more. Not cool at all :(</div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Dovy Paukstys <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dovy@reduxframework.com" target="_blank">dovy@reduxframework.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">@Tammie Lister Indeed. We want to be completely transparent. <div><br></div><div>We do opt-in tracking to discover any issues we may have with various plugins and setup as we're integrated to themes and plugins. That is open and wide for anyone to see. We do this because we don't want people to think we're "stealing" anything that pinpoints them, and also lets users see what they're up against when developing.<div><br></div><div>The sites are completely anonymous. There's no way for us to track it to any individual site at all.</div><div><br></div><div>We took direction for our tracking class from the quite widely used WordPress SEO by Yoast plugin.</div><div><br></div><div>The class does the following:</div><div><ul><li>Checks once a week and submits to our tracking service using a unique one-way hash.</li></ul></div><div>That's it. Then we compare our user base vs what we're coding about. When we see a user post about an inconsistency with a theme or plugin, we inspect more heavily if there is more widely used.</div><div><br></div><div>If users wish, they can also load their own "hash" in their theme to see a drill-down of their theme's data. All that does is add an extra developer key, and allow us to filter the results.</div><div><br></div><div>@Srikanth Koneru We did not update to WordPress.com since I didn't think WordPress.com allows frameworks and we do not have access. If WP.com DOES allow Redux, then man I need to redo my WordPress.com themes I am building!</div><div><br></div><div>@<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8000001907349px;white-space:nowrap">Emil Uzelac</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8000001907349px;white-space:nowrap"> </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8000001907349px;white-space:nowrap">Would you prefer us to not visibly show the tracking data? We use it show statistics and most used plugins that utilize Redux.</span></div></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8000001907349px;white-space:nowrap"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8000001907349px;white-space:nowrap">@</span><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="white-space:nowrap">Afzaal (ThinkUpThemes) Is the concern that we're tracking the issue or that we're showing it publicly? This is COMPLETELY anonymous. If it's a concern, we can remove that site instantly. We'll just put it behind our developer's login wall instead.</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="white-space:nowrap"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="white-space:nowrap">@everyone Again all, we are completely transparent here and we're not doing anything different than one of the most successful plugins on WordPress.org does, except that we're showing the data to be transparent.</span></font></div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Tammie Lister <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:karmatosed@gmail.com" target="_blank">karmatosed@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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So Dovy, can you explain this also:<br>
<a href="http://jsbin.com/ugELElU/1" target="_blank">http://jsbin.com/ugELElU/1</a><br>
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Thanks,<br>
Tammie<div><div><br>
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<div>On 16/10/2014 20:28, Dovy Paukstys
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">@Otto + Others:
<div>Lead developer of Redux Framework here.</div>
<div><br>
In regards to Redux Framework, there was indeed an error in
our code causing some instances to dial-back even when set to
opt-out. This was not our intent or desire to "dial-home". It
was a mistake in coding between JS and PHP.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A patch has been made and new version of Redux has been
deployed to WP.com and our repository. Everything should now
fit well within your requirements.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Redux aims to always follow the guidelines. If you find
any issue in the future, do not hesitate to contact me
directly at <a href="mailto:dovy@reduxframework.com" target="_blank">dovy@reduxframework.com</a>.
I am now also on this list and will watch for any issues
that may come up.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>In our next newsletter I will also urge developers to
update to the newest version of Redux especially for WP.com
themes.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you.</div>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Towfiq
I. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tislam100@gmail.com" target="_blank">tislam100@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">Before suspending, I request you to warn the
developers about this in the review ticket. Many of the
developers doesn't even know about this. One of my themes
uses redux and I noticed the tracking.php file while
developing and removed it. Maybe they should have a chance
to do that too.<br>
<br>
Just my two cents</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:29 AM,
Emil Uzelac <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:emil@uzelac.me" target="_blank">emil@uzelac.me</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I'll
see if I can find them all in trac.</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
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<div>On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Otto <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:otto@ottodestruct.com" target="_blank">otto@ottodestruct.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>
<div dir="ltr">The hell?
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The answer is a very clear cut no,
you can't do that. If any themes in the
directory currently have this, they
should be immediately suspended.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">
<div>-Otto</div>
</div>
</font></span><span>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct
16, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Emil Uzelac <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:emil@uzelac.me" target="_blank">emil@uzelac.me</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Not
to mention that what they done
here, well sucks: <a href="http://jsbin.com/ugELElU/1" target="_blank">http://jsbin.com/ugELElU/1</a>.
Redux is revealing more than
they should!</div>
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