[theme-reviewers] Bundled plugins

[chip]

With WordPress 3.9 quickly approaching, now is a good time to discuss
changes. I'll put up a post on Make/Themes. :)


On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:

> I have zero issues with that, but we should add few lines in our
> guidelines :-)
> On Jan 24, 2014 12:12 PM, "Chip Bennett" <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>
>> Regardless of the Guidelines' stance on bundled Plugins, reviews should
>> *always* be conducted without any recommended Plugins.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Josh Pollock <jpollock412 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> +1 to Chip on making this a formal part of the guidelines.
>>>
>>> I think the guidelines should specify if the review will be conducted
>>> with and without any recommended plugins activated or just without.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Jose Castaneda <jomcastaneda at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I, too, feel it can be a requirement that themes not bundle it.
>>>>
>>>> It not only takes up storage within the theme's folder but can, and,
>>>> may differ from one in the repo. Who's to say they don't do a bait and
>>>> switch.
>>>>
>>>> From what I recall from wptavern's post about the plugin repo they are
>>>> able to approve a plugin fairly quickly. The biggest reason for not getting
>>>> approved is because the developer doesn't respond/fix the issues.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ...which explains why bundled Plugins should not be allowed. Theme
>>>> reviewers cannot reasonably be expected to review Plugin code.
>>>>
>>>> We've been discussing it for a while now. Unless there remains some
>>>> reasonable opposition, I would like to formalize it, and require that
>>>> Themes not bundle Plugins.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Christine Rondeau <
>>>> christine at bluelimemedia.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, oh.. I wasn't aware of that. I reviewed the theme, didn't see
>>>>> anything wrong and so marked it as approved. I didn't even think to review
>>>>> the plugins, but I don't think that I could anyway. Plugins fall in a total
>>>>> different category.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also work for cyberchimps. I do customer support for them and I have
>>>>> a few themes in the repo under my name.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Christine Rondeau
>>>>> Bluelime Media
>>>>> www.bluelimemedia.com
>>>>> twitter: @bluelimemedia
>>>>> skype: bluelimemedia
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:31 AM, Srikanth Koneru <tskk79 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In recent discussion, its recommended not to bundle the plugin, if
>>>>>> its bundled then it has to be reviewed too.
>>>>>> you work for cyberchimps too?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please don't beat yourself up, we have so many questions and
>>>>>>> discussions going on and it ain't easy to keep up with all of them :-)
>>>>>>> On Jan 24, 2014 1:14 AM, "Christine Rondeau" <
>>>>>>> christine at bluelimemedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok good to know. I must have misread or thought I read about
>>>>>>>> plugins not being allowed as part of the theme. I try to keep up with the
>>>>>>>> list, but there's a bit too much sometimes . :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll approve the theme then, since I think the rest is ok.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Christine Rondeau
>>>>>>>> Bluelime Media
>>>>>>>> www.bluelimemedia.com
>>>>>>>> twitter: @bluelimemedia
>>>>>>>> skype: bluelimemedia
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We don't have any special guidelines about plugin being part of
>>>>>>>>> the Theme. It's recommended, but no it is not required. Many authors do :-)
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 24, 2014 1:00 AM, "Christine Rondeau" <
>>>>>>>>> christine at bluelimemedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just want to double check again, but I seem to recall that
>>>>>>>>>> plugins CANNOT be bundled with themes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm reviewing a theme right now -
>>>>>>>>>> https://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/16203#comment:4
>>>>>>>>>> and the theme works without the plugin and installing the plugins
>>>>>>>>>> is optional, but if you choose to install these, they are downloaded
>>>>>>>>>> directly from the theme.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure that this is not allowed right?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Christine
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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