[theme-reviewers] GPL and limiting usage

[Otto]

Yes, I see exactly that. It says the word "1 website" and "6 websites", and
the one on the right says "unlimited websites".

Now tell me, do you see the word "use" or "usage" or anything whatsoever to
indicate that that is a "usage" restriction in any way?

You're *inferring* things that it does not say. Welcome to the wonderful
world of marketing.

-Otto


On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Ünsal Korkmaz <unsalkorkmaz at gmail.com>wrote:

> > Ok, i can lie to my users about "you can only use on 1 website" as
>> pagelines
>> > doing
>> That isn't what Pagelines is doing, and the "pricing" page you keep
>> pointing to does not actually say anything remotely close to that.
>> You're reading words that are not actually there.
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> You see same page with me right?
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> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Towfiq I. <tislam100 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Previously I told my premium theme users that they can use on theme for
>> only one domain. In those days, same users bought multiple themes for
>> multiple domains because of this restriction. I sold more themes than i do
>> now. But when I learned that, you cannot do that with GPL license. I
>> changed that,  told users they can use the theme on multiple domains. Since
>> its allowed to let users know that they can use one theme per domain, like
>> pagelines.. am I allowed to do that in my website's pricing page too? and
>> then in my terms of service page(that no one ever reads), I will tell users
>> that they can use one theme on unlimited domains.
>> Isn't it misleading?
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>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Ünsal Korkmaz <unsalkorkmaz at gmail.com>wrote:
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>>> Ok, i can lie to my users about "you can only use on 1 website" as
>>> pagelines doing while i will say theme is gpl in legal notices, so my naive
>>> users will buy extra licenses which normally they shouldnt need. I will
>>> keep this post's link if someone say something in future tho. And it seems
>>> lying to your customer have a new name.. *marketing.*
>>>
>>> This is what i understand from this conversation. Thanks everyone for
>>> sparing time.
>>>
>>> (P.S: pageline's personal and business plan's only diffence is how many
>>> website you can use it.)
>>>  *
>>> *
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>>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:
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>>>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Ünsal Korkmaz <unsalkorkmaz at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> Show me where their *behavior* is in violation. Show me where their
>>>> >> *actual terms* are in violation. Don't nitpick the marketing.
>>>> >
>>>> > http://www.pagelines.com/pricing/
>>>> > Uses License Key system which restricts usage on how many site you
>>>> install
>>>> > and when you stop paying:
>>>>
>>>> And yet again, you point to the marketing pages... Those are not
>>>> "terms", these are the terms:
>>>> http://www.pagelines.com/terms-of-service/
>>>>
>>>> For the specific case of the Pagelines DMS theme, it was actually
>>>> not-approved with their first attempt:
>>>> https://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/14116
>>>>
>>>> They are making a second attempt now with a newly uploaded version:
>>>> https://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/14369
>>>>
>>>> And if you have specific issues with specific themes, those should be
>>>> discussed *in ticket*. Here you have a company actively working on
>>>> this theme that you're talking about, and you're complaining about
>>>> them being listed totally elsewhere for "violations" of a rather
>>>> nebulous nature. Why not tell them of your concerns, directly, by
>>>> reviewing their theme and expressing your concerns? Attempt to fix
>>>> things and make them better, sort of thing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > you lose access to your professional-only editing tools and effects,
>>>> the
>>>> > ability to add and edit Professional sections
>>>> >
>>>> >  Basically i cant get theme and modify & use however i want and
>>>> basically i
>>>> > cant use it on multisite.Isnt it enough?
>>>>
>>>> If this is indeed part of the theme, sure. My suggestion to them for
>>>> the DMS theme was to remove that code from the theme and sell those
>>>> editing tools separately, as an add-on.
>>>>
>>>> As for multisite, that theme that you're pointing to works fine on
>>>> multisite. Again, their licensing is tied to support and add-ons that
>>>> they sell for their themes. Read the actual terms, not the marketing.
>>>>
>>>> -Otto
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