[theme-reviewers] GPL and limiting usage

[Towfiq I.]

ha! got it! 1 website could mean anything. e.g: support provided for one
website only.



On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:05 AM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:

> Yes, I see exactly that. It says the word "1 website" and "6 websites",
> and the one on the right says "unlimited websites".
>
> Now tell me, do you see the word "use" or "usage" or anything whatsoever
> to indicate that that is a "usage" restriction in any way?
>
> You're *inferring* things that it does not say. Welcome to the wonderful
> world of marketing.
>
> -Otto
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Ünsal Korkmaz <unsalkorkmaz at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> > Ok, i can lie to my users about "you can only use on 1 website" as
>>> pagelines
>>> > doing
>>> That isn't what Pagelines is doing, and the "pricing" page you keep
>>> pointing to does not actually say anything remotely close to that.
>>> You're reading words that are not actually there.
>>>
>>
>> You see same page with me right?
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Towfiq I. <tislam100 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Previously I told my premium theme users that they can use on theme for
>>> only one domain. In those days, same users bought multiple themes for
>>> multiple domains because of this restriction. I sold more themes than i do
>>> now. But when I learned that, you cannot do that with GPL license. I
>>> changed that,  told users they can use the theme on multiple domains. Since
>>> its allowed to let users know that they can use one theme per domain, like
>>> pagelines.. am I allowed to do that in my website's pricing page too? and
>>> then in my terms of service page(that no one ever reads), I will tell users
>>> that they can use one theme on unlimited domains.
>>> Isn't it misleading?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Ünsal Korkmaz <unsalkorkmaz at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok, i can lie to my users about "you can only use on 1 website" as
>>>> pagelines doing while i will say theme is gpl in legal notices, so my naive
>>>> users will buy extra licenses which normally they shouldnt need. I will
>>>> keep this post's link if someone say something in future tho. And it seems
>>>> lying to your customer have a new name.. *marketing.*
>>>>
>>>> This is what i understand from this conversation. Thanks everyone for
>>>> sparing time.
>>>>
>>>> (P.S: pageline's personal and business plan's only diffence is how many
>>>> website you can use it.)
>>>>  *
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Ünsal Korkmaz <unsalkorkmaz at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> Show me where their *behavior* is in violation. Show me where their
>>>>> >> *actual terms* are in violation. Don't nitpick the marketing.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > http://www.pagelines.com/pricing/
>>>>> > Uses License Key system which restricts usage on how many site you
>>>>> install
>>>>> > and when you stop paying:
>>>>>
>>>>> And yet again, you point to the marketing pages... Those are not
>>>>> "terms", these are the terms:
>>>>> http://www.pagelines.com/terms-of-service/
>>>>>
>>>>> For the specific case of the Pagelines DMS theme, it was actually
>>>>> not-approved with their first attempt:
>>>>> https://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/14116
>>>>>
>>>>> They are making a second attempt now with a newly uploaded version:
>>>>> https://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/14369
>>>>>
>>>>> And if you have specific issues with specific themes, those should be
>>>>> discussed *in ticket*. Here you have a company actively working on
>>>>> this theme that you're talking about, and you're complaining about
>>>>> them being listed totally elsewhere for "violations" of a rather
>>>>> nebulous nature. Why not tell them of your concerns, directly, by
>>>>> reviewing their theme and expressing your concerns? Attempt to fix
>>>>> things and make them better, sort of thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > you lose access to your professional-only editing tools and effects,
>>>>> the
>>>>> > ability to add and edit Professional sections
>>>>> >
>>>>> >  Basically i cant get theme and modify & use however i want and
>>>>> basically i
>>>>> > cant use it on multisite.Isnt it enough?
>>>>>
>>>>> If this is indeed part of the theme, sure. My suggestion to them for
>>>>> the DMS theme was to remove that code from the theme and sell those
>>>>> editing tools separately, as an add-on.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for multisite, that theme that you're pointing to works fine on
>>>>> multisite. Again, their licensing is tied to support and add-ons that
>>>>> they sell for their themes. Read the actual terms, not the marketing.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Otto
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