<div dir="ltr">Yes, I see exactly that. It says the word "1 website" and "6 websites", and the one on the right says "unlimited websites".<div><br></div><div>Now tell me, do you see the word "use" or "usage" or anything whatsoever to indicate that that is a "usage" restriction in any way?</div>
<div><br></div><div>You're *inferring* things that it does not say. Welcome to the wonderful world of marketing.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div>-Otto</div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Ünsal Korkmaz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:unsalkorkmaz@gmail.com" target="_blank">unsalkorkmaz@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">> Ok, i can lie to my users about "you can only use on 1 website" as pagelines<br>
> doing<br></div><div class="im"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">That isn't what Pagelines is doing, and the "pricing" page you keep<br></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">pointing to does not actually say anything remotely close to that.<br>
</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">You're reading words that are not actually there.</span></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You see same page with me right?</div><div><br></div><div>
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/VbRzFch.png" alt="Inline image 1" width="937" height="371"><br>
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Towfiq I. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tislam100@gmail.com" target="_blank">tislam100@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Previously I told my premium theme users that they can use on theme for only one domain. In those days, same users bought multiple themes for multiple domains because of this restriction. I sold more themes than i do now. But when I learned that, you cannot do that with GPL license. I changed that, told users they can use the theme on multiple domains. Since its allowed to let users know that they can use one theme per domain, like pagelines.. am I allowed to do that in my website's pricing page too? and then in my terms of service page(that no one ever reads), I will tell users that they can use one theme on unlimited domains.<div>
Isn't it misleading?<br><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Ünsal Korkmaz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:unsalkorkmaz@gmail.com" target="_blank">unsalkorkmaz@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Ok, i can lie to my users about "you can only use on 1 website" as pagelines doing while i will say theme is gpl in legal notices, so my naive users will buy extra licenses which normally they shouldnt need. I will keep this post's link if someone say something in future tho. And it seems lying to your customer have a new name.. <b>marketing.</b><div>
<br></div><div>This is what i understand from this conversation. Thanks everyone for sparing time.</div><div><br></div><div>(P.S: pageline's personal and business plan's only diffence is how many website you can use it.)</div>
<div><div>
<b><br></b></div></div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Otto <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:otto@ottodestruct.com" target="_blank">otto@ottodestruct.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Ünsal Korkmaz <<a href="mailto:unsalkorkmaz@gmail.com" target="_blank">unsalkorkmaz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Show me where their *behavior* is in violation. Show me where their<br>
>> *actual terms* are in violation. Don't nitpick the marketing.<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.pagelines.com/pricing/" target="_blank">http://www.pagelines.com/pricing/</a><br>
> Uses License Key system which restricts usage on how many site you install<br>
> and when you stop paying:<br>
<br>
</div>And yet again, you point to the marketing pages... Those are not<br>
"terms", these are the terms:<br>
<a href="http://www.pagelines.com/terms-of-service/" target="_blank">http://www.pagelines.com/terms-of-service/</a><br>
<br>
For the specific case of the Pagelines DMS theme, it was actually<br>
not-approved with their first attempt:<br>
<a href="https://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/14116" target="_blank">https://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/14116</a><br>
<br>
They are making a second attempt now with a newly uploaded version:<br>
<a href="https://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/14369" target="_blank">https://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/14369</a><br>
<br>
And if you have specific issues with specific themes, those should be<br>
discussed *in ticket*. Here you have a company actively working on<br>
this theme that you're talking about, and you're complaining about<br>
them being listed totally elsewhere for "violations" of a rather<br>
nebulous nature. Why not tell them of your concerns, directly, by<br>
reviewing their theme and expressing your concerns? Attempt to fix<br>
things and make them better, sort of thing.<br>
<div><br>
<br>
> you lose access to your professional-only editing tools and effects, the<br>
> ability to add and edit Professional sections<br>
><br>
> Basically i cant get theme and modify & use however i want and basically i<br>
> cant use it on multisite.Isnt it enough?<br>
<br>
</div>If this is indeed part of the theme, sure. My suggestion to them for<br>
the DMS theme was to remove that code from the theme and sell those<br>
editing tools separately, as an add-on.<br>
<br>
As for multisite, that theme that you're pointing to works fine on<br>
multisite. Again, their licensing is tied to support and add-ons that<br>
they sell for their themes. Read the actual terms, not the marketing.<br>
<span><font color="#888888"><br>
-Otto<br>
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