[theme-reviewers] "Public facing" text should not mean the back end, only the front end
Justin Tadlock
justin at justintadlock.com
Thu Sep 13 17:24:59 UTC 2012
> That's nothing more than your interpretation, and a questionable one,
> too, I might add.
No, that's not an interpretation. That is the rule. All text in a
translation-ready theme must be internationalized. I'm sure we could
clarify that if need be.
> Your pseudo harsh attitude doesn't impress me one bit.
>
> Get some style and try to be civil as others have managed to be in
> this thread.
What's uncivil about pointing out that you don't understand the guideline?
> And speaking of users, I am sure I have as many as you at the very
> least. Not that it matters, but since you brought it up
I was simply pointing out that I have users who will be more than happy
to explain the usefulness of having the admin translated to you.
>
> Flynn
>
>
>>>
>>> Flynn
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cais.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Lmm Muc <lmmmuc at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:lmmmuc at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On the subject of translating front-end and/or back-end of a
>>>> theme:
>>>> http://lists.wordpress.org/pipermail/theme-reviewers/2012-September/010664.html
>>>>
>>>> "Public-facing" seems pretty clear to me, both semantically and
>>>> in the context it is being used in the Review Guidelines
>>>> ("public-facing credit link"). It obviously means the text on
>>>> the front end of a web site, the part that faces "the public",
>>>> with the public being the visitors of a site. It would be a
>>>> stretch to count the back end of a theme as "facing the public"
>>>> - in this context.
>>>>
>>>> The amount of text in a theme back end can be huge, even more
>>>> so if a lot of additional usage information is provided. It
>>>> would be an undue burden for translators if they had to
>>>> translate that as well in order to create a full translation of
>>>> a theme. What about illustrational graphics in the back end? If
>>>> we wanted to be really pedantic there would also have to be
>>>> localized versions of graphics that contain text. Back end text
>>>> may also change more frequently than text on the the front end.
>>>>
>>>> This should be clarified in the review guidelines. A theme
>>>> should count as being "translation-ready" if all public-facing
>>>> text is localized, with "public facing" being all the text that
>>>> appears or may appear on the front end of a site.
>>>>
>>>> It shouldn't be mandatory to have the back end localized as
>>>> well. Perhaps there should be a second theme tag for this?
>>>>
>>>> Greetings
>>>> Flynn
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:38:00 +0800
>>>> From: Vicky Arulsingam <vicky.arulsingam at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:vicky.arulsingam at gmail.com>>
>>>> Subject: [theme-reviewers] Translation Support
>>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
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>>>> There seems to be some confusion regarding this item in the
>>>> Theme Review
>>>> guidelines in one of the reviews I'm doing with regards to
>>>> Translation
>>>> Support.
>>>>
>>>> "Themes are *required* to have all public-facing text in
>>>> English."
>>>>
>>>> My understanding is that all text the user sees - on the
>>>> front-end (viewing
>>>> the site) and the back-end (admin pages) must be localized.
>>>> Others feel that this only refers to the front-end.
>>>>
>>>> I personally find it strange that you're not going to
>>>> translate theme
>>>> options so a clarification would be great.
>>>>
>>>> Or perhaps a better discussion would be: in what cases
>>>> would there be an
>>>> exception to translation e.g. dummy text in special templates?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -----
>>>> Vicky Arulsingam
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>>>> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:41:26 -0600
>>>> From: Bryan Hadaway <bhadaway at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:bhadaway at gmail.com>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Translation Support
>>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
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>>>> I think so, I'd wait for an admin of course. A good
>>>> appendage also would be
>>>> "*by default*".
>>>>
>>>> So something like:
>>>>
>>>> *Themes are required to have all public-facing (both the
>>>> front-end and
>>>> back-end) text in English by default.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bryan Phillip Hadaway
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Vicky Arulsingam <
>>>> vicky.arulsingam at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:vicky.arulsingam at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There seems to be some confusion regarding this item in
>>>> the Theme Review
>>>> guidelines in one of the reviews I'm doing with regards
>>>> to Translation
>>>> Support.
>>>>
>>>> "Themes are *required* to have all public-facing text
>>>> in English."
>>>>
>>>> My understanding is that all text the user sees - on
>>>> the front-end
>>>> (viewing the site) and the back-end (admin pages) must
>>>> be localized.
>>>> Others feel that this only refers to the front-end.
>>>>
>>>> I personally find it strange that you're not going to
>>>> translate theme
>>>> options so a clarification would be great.
>>>>
>>>> Or perhaps a better discussion would be: in what cases
>>>> would there be an
>>>> exception to translation e.g. dummy text in special
>>>> templates?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -----
>>>> Vicky Arulsingam
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:34:18 -0500
>>>> From: Emil Uzelac <emil at themeid.com <mailto:emil at themeid.com>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Translation Support
>>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>> <mailto:theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org>
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>>>> This is actually pretty straightforward (IMO).
>>>>
>>>> Public-facing: *Theme Created by Author* (front-end) *Theme
>>>> Options... etc..
>>>> * (back-end) examples only.
>>>>
>>>> So if author is including e.g. Theme Options, all that
>>>> should be in English
>>>> too, but also everything else visible to the user.
>>>>
>>>> Localization in this case is not a requirement :)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Emil
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Bryan Hadaway
>>>> <bhadaway at gmail.com <mailto:bhadaway at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think so, I'd wait for an admin of course. A good
>>>> appendage also would
>>>> be "*by default*".
>>>>
>>>> So something like:
>>>>
>>>> *Themes are required to have all public-facing (both
>>>> the front-end and
>>>> back-end) text in English by default.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bryan Phillip Hadaway
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Web & Graphic Designer
>>>> calmestghost.com <http://calmestghost.com>
>>>> bhadaway at gmail.com <mailto:bhadaway at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Vicky Arulsingam <
>>>> vicky.arulsingam at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:vicky.arulsingam at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There seems to be some confusion regarding this
>>>> item in the Theme Review
>>>> guidelines in one of the reviews I'm doing with
>>>> regards to Translation
>>>> Support.
>>>>
>>>> "Themes are *required* to have all public-facing
>>>> text in English."
>>>>
>>>> My understanding is that all text the user sees -
>>>> on the front-end
>>>> (viewing the site) and the back-end (admin pages)
>>>> must be localized.
>>>> Others feel that this only refers to the front-end.
>>>>
>>>> I personally find it strange that you're not going
>>>> to translate theme
>>>> options so a clarification would be great.
>>>>
>>>> Or perhaps a better discussion would be: in what
>>>> cases would there be an
>>>> exception to translation e.g. dummy text in special
>>>> templates?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -----
>>>> Vicky Arulsingam
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:47:48 +0800
>>>> From: Vicky Arulsingam <vicky.arulsingam at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:vicky.arulsingam at gmail.com>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Translation Support
>>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>> <mailto:theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org>
>>>> Message-ID:
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>>>> I agree with you - "Public facing" = "Everything the user sees"
>>>>
>>>> I understand that localization is optional. The situation
>>>> is the theme
>>>> author is supporting translation but he has only localized
>>>> the template
>>>> files because he understands that "Public-Facing" is just
>>>> the front-end.
>>>> The theme options haven't been localized.
>>>>
>>>> I just wanted to make sure that everyone here has the same
>>>> understanding :)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -----
>>>> Vicky Arulsingam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Emil Uzelac
>>>> <emil at themeid.com <mailto:emil at themeid.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This is actually pretty straightforward (IMO).
>>>>
>>>> Public-facing: *Theme Created by Author* (front-end)
>>>> *Theme Options...
>>>> etc..* (back-end) examples only.
>>>>
>>>> So if author is including e.g. Theme Options, all that
>>>> should be in
>>>> English too, but also everything else visible to the user.
>>>>
>>>> Localization in this case is not a requirement :)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Emil
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:58:09 -0500
>>>> From: Emil Uzelac <emil at themeid.com <mailto:emil at themeid.com>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Translation Support
>>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>> <mailto:theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org>
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> it's all good :)
>>>>
>>>> Emil
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Vicky Arulsingam <
>>>> vicky.arulsingam at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:vicky.arulsingam at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I agree with you - "Public facing" = "Everything the
>>>> user sees"
>>>>
>>>> I understand that localization is optional. The
>>>> situation is the theme
>>>> author is supporting translation but he has only
>>>> localized the template
>>>> files because he understands that "Public-Facing" is
>>>> just the front-end.
>>>> The theme options haven't been localized.
>>>>
>>>> I just wanted to make sure that everyone here has the
>>>> same understanding :)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -----
>>>> Vicky Arulsingam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Emil Uzelac
>>>> <emil at themeid.com <mailto:emil at themeid.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This is actually pretty straightforward (IMO).
>>>>
>>>> Public-facing: *Theme Created by Author*
>>>> (front-end) *Theme Options...
>>>> etc..* (back-end) examples only.
>>>>
>>>> So if author is including e.g. Theme Options, all
>>>> that should be in
>>>> English too, but also everything else visible to
>>>> the user.
>>>>
>>>> Localization in this case is not a requirement :)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Emil
>>>>
>>>>
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