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That's nothing more than your interpretation, and a questionable
one, too, I might add.<br>
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No, that's not an interpretation. That is the rule. All text in a
translation-ready theme must be internationalized. I'm sure we
could clarify that if need be.<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:50521156.5020301@gmail.com" type="cite"> Your
pseudo harsh attitude doesn't impress me one bit. <br>
<br>
Get some style and try to be civil as others have managed to be in
this thread.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
What's uncivil about pointing out that you don't understand the
guideline?<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:50521156.5020301@gmail.com" type="cite"> And
speaking of users, I am sure I have as many as you at the very
least. Not that it matters, but since you brought it up<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
I was simply pointing out that I have users who will be more than
happy to explain the usefulness of having the admin translated to
you.<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:50521156.5020301@gmail.com" type="cite"> <br>
Flynn<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:505208BA.50702@justintadlock.com"
type="cite">
<blockquote cite="mid:5051EBD0.3030708@gmail.com" type="cite"> <br>
Flynn<br>
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cite="mid:CAE5CyMi-9H=AMzDtiAvqnT41_HztFwWFw6tBHpQV1y3C_v3WiQ@mail.gmail.com"
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Cais.<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 7:56 AM,
Lmm Muc <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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the subject of translating front-end and/or back-end of
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"Public-facing" seems pretty clear to me, both
semantically and in the context it is being used in the
Review Guidelines ("public-facing credit link"). It
obviously means the text on the front end of a web site,
the part that faces "the public", with the public being
the visitors of a site. It would be a stretch to count
the back end of a theme as "facing the public" - in
this context.<br>
<br>
The amount of text in a theme back end can be huge, even
more so if a lot of additional usage information is
provided. It would be an undue burden for translators if
they had to translate that as well in order to create a
full translation of a theme. What about illustrational
graphics in the back end? If we wanted to be really
pedantic there would also have to be localized versions
of graphics that contain text. Back end text may also
change more frequently than text on the the front end.<br>
<br>
This should be clarified in the review guidelines. A
theme should count as being "translation-ready" if all
public-facing text is localized, with "public facing"
being all the text that appears or may appear on the
front end of a site.<br>
<br>
It shouldn't be mandatory to have the back end localized
as well. Perhaps there should be a second theme tag for
this?<br>
<br>
Greetings<br>
Flynn<br>
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:38:00 +0800<br>
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There seems to be some confusion regarding this item
in the Theme Review<br>
guidelines in one of the reviews I'm doing with
regards to Translation<br>
Support.<br>
<br>
"Themes are *required* to have all public-facing text
in English."<br>
<br>
My understanding is that all text the user sees - on
the front-end (viewing<br>
the site) and the back-end (admin pages) must be
localized.<br>
Others feel that this only refers to the front-end.<br>
<br>
I personally find it strange that you're not going to
translate theme<br>
options so a clarification would be great.<br>
<br>
Or perhaps a better discussion would be: in what cases
would there be an<br>
exception to translation e.g. dummy text in special
templates?<br>
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:41:26 -0600<br>
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I think so, I'd wait for an admin of course. A good
appendage also would be<br>
"*by default*".<br>
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So something like:<br>
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*Themes are required to have all public-facing (both
the front-end and<br>
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There seems to be some confusion regarding this item
in the Theme Review<br>
guidelines in one of the reviews I'm doing with
regards to Translation<br>
Support.<br>
<br>
"Themes are *required* to have all public-facing
text in English."<br>
<br>
My understanding is that all text the user sees - on
the front-end<br>
(viewing the site) and the back-end (admin pages)
must be localized.<br>
Others feel that this only refers to the front-end.<br>
<br>
I personally find it strange that you're not going
to translate theme<br>
options so a clarification would be great.<br>
<br>
Or perhaps a better discussion would be: in what
cases would there be an<br>
exception to translation e.g. dummy text in special
templates?<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
-----<br>
Vicky Arulsingam<br>
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:34:18 -0500<br>
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This is actually pretty straightforward (IMO).<br>
<br>
Public-facing: *Theme Created by Author* (front-end)
*Theme Options... etc..<br>
* (back-end) examples only.<br>
<br>
So if author is including e.g. Theme Options, all that
should be in English<br>
too, but also everything else visible to the user.<br>
<br>
Localization in this case is not a requirement :)<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Emil<br>
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think so, I'd wait for an admin of course. A good
appendage also would<br>
be "*by default*".<br>
<br>
So something like:<br>
<br>
*Themes are required to have all public-facing (both
the front-end and<br>
back-end) text in English by default.*<br>
<br>
<br>
Bryan Phillip Hadaway<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
There seems to be some confusion regarding this
item in the Theme Review<br>
guidelines in one of the reviews I'm doing with
regards to Translation<br>
Support.<br>
<br>
"Themes are *required* to have all public-facing
text in English."<br>
<br>
My understanding is that all text the user sees -
on the front-end<br>
(viewing the site) and the back-end (admin pages)
must be localized.<br>
Others feel that this only refers to the
front-end.<br>
<br>
I personally find it strange that you're not going
to translate theme<br>
options so a clarification would be great.<br>
<br>
Or perhaps a better discussion would be: in what
cases would there be an<br>
exception to translation e.g. dummy text in
special templates?<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
-----<br>
Vicky Arulsingam<br>
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:47:48 +0800<br>
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I agree with you - "Public facing" = "Everything the
user sees"<br>
<br>
I understand that localization is optional. The
situation is the theme<br>
author is supporting translation but he has only
localized the template<br>
files because he understands that "Public-Facing" is
just the front-end.<br>
The theme options haven't been localized.<br>
<br>
I just wanted to make sure that everyone here has the
same understanding :)<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
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Vicky Arulsingam<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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This is actually pretty straightforward (IMO).<br>
<br>
Public-facing: *Theme Created by Author* (front-end)
*Theme Options...<br>
etc..* (back-end) examples only.<br>
<br>
So if author is including e.g. Theme Options, all
that should be in<br>
English too, but also everything else visible to the
user.<br>
<br>
Localization in this case is not a requirement :)<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Emil<br>
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:58:09 -0500<br>
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it's all good :)<br>
<br>
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wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> I
agree with you - "Public facing" = "Everything the
user sees"<br>
<br>
I understand that localization is optional. The
situation is the theme<br>
author is supporting translation but he has only
localized the template<br>
files because he understands that "Public-Facing" is
just the front-end.<br>
The theme options haven't been localized.<br>
<br>
I just wanted to make sure that everyone here has
the same understanding :)<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
-----<br>
Vicky Arulsingam<br>
<br>
<br>
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wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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This is actually pretty straightforward (IMO).<br>
<br>
Public-facing: *Theme Created by Author*
(front-end) *Theme Options...<br>
etc..* (back-end) examples only.<br>
<br>
So if author is including e.g. Theme Options, all
that should be in<br>
English too, but also everything else visible to
the user.<br>
<br>
Localization in this case is not a requirement :)<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Emil<br>
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