[theme-reviewers] "Public facing" text should not mean the back end, only the front end
Daniel Tara
contact at onedesigns.com
Thu Sep 13 17:08:19 UTC 2012
Here's for another useless debate.
On Sep 13, 2012, at 8:01 PM, Lmm Muc wrote:
> On 13.09.2012 18:24, Justin Tadlock wrote:
>> I'm going to make the guideline clear for those who don't understand it. If you're going to internationalize your theme, all text strings must be internationalized. It's an all-or-nothing deal.
>>
>>> To think that any theme user would find the back end text being translated to be "possibly more important" than the text his visitors see is very unlikely to say the least. I am not sure why you would say that.
>>
>> Come talk to some of my users. I've got 100s, possibly 1,000s, of them who can tell you the back end is what they need translated. This is because they blog in English but like to have the admin in their native language.
>>
>>> Besides that the question remains whether it is even required at present as per guidelines, there is no indication it is.
>>
>> It is most certainly required. The phrase "public-facing text" means any text strings that can be read by someone viewing the site, front or back end (i.e., any text printed to the screen). Text that does not face the public is text that is not printed to the screen. It has nothing to do with front or back end of the site. It has everything to do with what can be seen on the site versus what can be seen in the code.
>
> That's nothing more than your interpretation, and a questionable one, too, I might add.
>
>>
>> Whether you understand the guideline does not alter what the guideline means.
>
> Your pseudo harsh attitude doesn't impress me one bit.
>
> Get some style and try to be civil as others have managed to be in this thread.
>
> And speaking of users, I am sure I have as many as you at the very least. Not that it matters, but since you brought it up
>
>
> Flynn
>
>
>>>
>>> Flynn
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cais.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Lmm Muc <lmmmuc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On the subject of translating front-end and/or back-end of a theme: http://lists.wordpress.org/pipermail/theme-reviewers/2012-September/010664.html
>>>>
>>>> "Public-facing" seems pretty clear to me, both semantically and in the context it is being used in the Review Guidelines ("public-facing credit link"). It obviously means the text on the front end of a web site, the part that faces "the public", with the public being the visitors of a site. It would be a stretch to count the back end of a theme as "facing the public" - in this context.
>>>>
>>>> The amount of text in a theme back end can be huge, even more so if a lot of additional usage information is provided. It would be an undue burden for translators if they had to translate that as well in order to create a full translation of a theme. What about illustrational graphics in the back end? If we wanted to be really pedantic there would also have to be localized versions of graphics that contain text. Back end text may also change more frequently than text on the the front end.
>>>>
>>>> This should be clarified in the review guidelines. A theme should count as being "translation-ready" if all public-facing text is localized, with "public facing" being all the text that appears or may appear on the front end of a site.
>>>>
>>>> It shouldn't be mandatory to have the back end localized as well. Perhaps there should be a second theme tag for this?
>>>>
>>>> Greetings
>>>> Flynn
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:38:00 +0800
>>>> From: Vicky Arulsingam <vicky.arulsingam at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: [theme-reviewers] Translation Support
>>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
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>>>> There seems to be some confusion regarding this item in the Theme Review
>>>> guidelines in one of the reviews I'm doing with regards to Translation
>>>> Support.
>>>>
>>>> "Themes are *required* to have all public-facing text in English."
>>>>
>>>> My understanding is that all text the user sees - on the front-end (viewing
>>>> the site) and the back-end (admin pages) must be localized.
>>>> Others feel that this only refers to the front-end.
>>>>
>>>> I personally find it strange that you're not going to translate theme
>>>> options so a clarification would be great.
>>>>
>>>> Or perhaps a better discussion would be: in what cases would there be an
>>>> exception to translation e.g. dummy text in special templates?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -----
>>>> Vicky Arulsingam
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>>>> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:41:26 -0600
>>>> From: Bryan Hadaway <bhadaway at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Translation Support
>>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
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>>>> I think so, I'd wait for an admin of course. A good appendage also would be
>>>> "*by default*".
>>>>
>>>> So something like:
>>>>
>>>> *Themes are required to have all public-facing (both the front-end and
>>>> back-end) text in English by default.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bryan Phillip Hadaway
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Web & Graphic Designer
>>>> calmestghost.com
>>>> bhadaway at gmail.com
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>>>> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Vicky Arulsingam <
>>>> vicky.arulsingam at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There seems to be some confusion regarding this item in the Theme Review
>>>> guidelines in one of the reviews I'm doing with regards to Translation
>>>> Support.
>>>>
>>>> "Themes are *required* to have all public-facing text in English."
>>>>
>>>> My understanding is that all text the user sees - on the front-end
>>>> (viewing the site) and the back-end (admin pages) must be localized.
>>>> Others feel that this only refers to the front-end.
>>>>
>>>> I personally find it strange that you're not going to translate theme
>>>> options so a clarification would be great.
>>>>
>>>> Or perhaps a better discussion would be: in what cases would there be an
>>>> exception to translation e.g. dummy text in special templates?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -----
>>>> Vicky Arulsingam
>>>>
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>>>> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:34:18 -0500
>>>> From: Emil Uzelac <emil at themeid.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Translation Support
>>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
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>>>> This is actually pretty straightforward (IMO).
>>>>
>>>> Public-facing: *Theme Created by Author* (front-end) *Theme Options... etc..
>>>> * (back-end) examples only.
>>>>
>>>> So if author is including e.g. Theme Options, all that should be in English
>>>> too, but also everything else visible to the user.
>>>>
>>>> Localization in this case is not a requirement :)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Emil
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Bryan Hadaway <bhadaway at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think so, I'd wait for an admin of course. A good appendage also would
>>>> be "*by default*".
>>>>
>>>> So something like:
>>>>
>>>> *Themes are required to have all public-facing (both the front-end and
>>>> back-end) text in English by default.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bryan Phillip Hadaway
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Web & Graphic Designer
>>>> calmestghost.com
>>>> bhadaway at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Socialize:* Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/calmestghost> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/calmestghost> |
>>>> LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/calmestghost> | Google+<https://plus.google.com/104582075016689917593>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Vicky Arulsingam <
>>>> vicky.arulsingam at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There seems to be some confusion regarding this item in the Theme Review
>>>> guidelines in one of the reviews I'm doing with regards to Translation
>>>> Support.
>>>>
>>>> "Themes are *required* to have all public-facing text in English."
>>>>
>>>> My understanding is that all text the user sees - on the front-end
>>>> (viewing the site) and the back-end (admin pages) must be localized.
>>>> Others feel that this only refers to the front-end.
>>>>
>>>> I personally find it strange that you're not going to translate theme
>>>> options so a clarification would be great.
>>>>
>>>> Or perhaps a better discussion would be: in what cases would there be an
>>>> exception to translation e.g. dummy text in special templates?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -----
>>>> Vicky Arulsingam
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:47:48 +0800
>>>> From: Vicky Arulsingam <vicky.arulsingam at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Translation Support
>>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
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>>>> I agree with you - "Public facing" = "Everything the user sees"
>>>>
>>>> I understand that localization is optional. The situation is the theme
>>>> author is supporting translation but he has only localized the template
>>>> files because he understands that "Public-Facing" is just the front-end.
>>>> The theme options haven't been localized.
>>>>
>>>> I just wanted to make sure that everyone here has the same understanding :)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -----
>>>> Vicky Arulsingam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Emil Uzelac <emil at themeid.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This is actually pretty straightforward (IMO).
>>>>
>>>> Public-facing: *Theme Created by Author* (front-end) *Theme Options...
>>>> etc..* (back-end) examples only.
>>>>
>>>> So if author is including e.g. Theme Options, all that should be in
>>>> English too, but also everything else visible to the user.
>>>>
>>>> Localization in this case is not a requirement :)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Emil
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:58:09 -0500
>>>> From: Emil Uzelac <emil at themeid.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Translation Support
>>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
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>>>> it's all good :)
>>>>
>>>> Emil
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Vicky Arulsingam <
>>>> vicky.arulsingam at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I agree with you - "Public facing" = "Everything the user sees"
>>>>
>>>> I understand that localization is optional. The situation is the theme
>>>> author is supporting translation but he has only localized the template
>>>> files because he understands that "Public-Facing" is just the front-end.
>>>> The theme options haven't been localized.
>>>>
>>>> I just wanted to make sure that everyone here has the same understanding :)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -----
>>>> Vicky Arulsingam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Emil Uzelac <emil at themeid.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This is actually pretty straightforward (IMO).
>>>>
>>>> Public-facing: *Theme Created by Author* (front-end) *Theme Options...
>>>> etc..* (back-end) examples only.
>>>>
>>>> So if author is including e.g. Theme Options, all that should be in
>>>> English too, but also everything else visible to the user.
>>>>
>>>> Localization in this case is not a requirement :)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Emil
>>>>
>>>>
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