[theme-reviewers] "Public facing" text should not mean the back end, only the front end

Lmm Muc lmmmuc at gmail.com
Thu Sep 13 17:01:10 UTC 2012


On 13.09.2012 18:24, Justin Tadlock wrote:
> I'm going to make the guideline clear for those who don't understand 
> it.  If you're going to internationalize your theme, all text strings 
> must be internationalized.  It's an all-or-nothing deal.
>
>> To think that any theme user would find the back end text being 
>> translated to be "possibly more important" than the text his visitors 
>> see is very unlikely to say the least. I am not sure why you would 
>> say that.
>
> Come talk to some of my users.  I've got 100s, possibly 1,000s, of 
> them who can tell you the back end is what they need translated. This 
> is because they blog in English but like to have the admin in their 
> native language.
>
>> Besides that the question remains whether it is even required at 
>> present as per guidelines, there is no indication it is.
>
> It is most certainly required.  The phrase "public-facing text" means 
> any text strings that can be read by someone viewing the site, front 
> or back end (i.e., any text printed to the screen). Text that does not 
> face the public is text that is not printed to the screen.  It has 
> nothing to do with front or back end of the site.   It has everything 
> to do with what can be seen on the site versus what can be seen in the 
> code.

That's nothing more than your interpretation, and a questionable one, 
too, I might add.

>
> Whether you understand the guideline does not alter what the guideline 
> means.

Your pseudo harsh attitude doesn't impress me one bit.

Get some style and try to be civil as others have managed to be in this 
thread.

And speaking of users, I am sure I have as many as you at the very 
least. Not that it matters, but since you brought it up


Flynn


>>
>> Flynn
>>
>>>
>>> Cais.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Lmm Muc <lmmmuc at gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:lmmmuc at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     On the subject of translating front-end and/or back-end of a
>>>     theme:
>>>     http://lists.wordpress.org/pipermail/theme-reviewers/2012-September/010664.html
>>>
>>>     "Public-facing" seems pretty clear to me, both semantically and
>>>     in the context it is being used in the Review Guidelines
>>>     ("public-facing credit link"). It obviously means the text on
>>>     the front end of a web site, the part that faces "the public",
>>>     with the public being the visitors of a site. It would be a
>>>     stretch to count the back end of a theme as "facing the public"
>>>     -  in this context.
>>>
>>>     The amount of text in a theme back end can be huge, even more so
>>>     if a lot of additional usage information is provided. It would
>>>     be an undue burden for translators if they had to translate that
>>>     as well in order to create a full translation of a theme. What
>>>     about illustrational graphics in the back end? If we wanted to
>>>     be really pedantic there would also have to be localized
>>>     versions of graphics that contain text. Back end text may also
>>>     change more frequently than text on the the front end.
>>>
>>>     This should be clarified in the review guidelines. A theme
>>>     should count as being "translation-ready" if all public-facing
>>>     text is localized, with "public facing" being all the text that
>>>     appears or may appear on the front end of a site.
>>>
>>>     It shouldn't be mandatory to have the back end localized as
>>>     well. Perhaps there should be a second theme tag for this?
>>>
>>>     Greetings
>>>     Flynn
>>>
>>>
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>>>         Message: 1
>>>         Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:38:00 +0800
>>>         From: Vicky Arulsingam <vicky.arulsingam at gmail.com
>>>         <mailto:vicky.arulsingam at gmail.com>>
>>>         Subject: [theme-reviewers] Translation Support
>>>         To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
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>>>         There seems to be some confusion regarding this item in the
>>>         Theme Review
>>>         guidelines in one of the reviews I'm doing with regards to
>>>         Translation
>>>         Support.
>>>
>>>         "Themes are *required* to have all public-facing text in
>>>         English."
>>>
>>>         My understanding is that all text the user sees - on the
>>>         front-end (viewing
>>>         the site) and the back-end (admin pages) must be localized.
>>>         Others feel that this only refers to the front-end.
>>>
>>>         I personally find it strange that you're not going to
>>>         translate theme
>>>         options so a clarification would be great.
>>>
>>>         Or perhaps a better discussion would be: in what cases would
>>>         there be an
>>>         exception to translation e.g. dummy text in special templates?
>>>
>>>         Thanks
>>>         -----
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>>>         Message: 2
>>>         Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:41:26 -0600
>>>         From: Bryan Hadaway <bhadaway at gmail.com
>>>         <mailto:bhadaway at gmail.com>>
>>>         Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Translation Support
>>>         To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
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>>>         I think so, I'd wait for an admin of course. A good
>>>         appendage also would be
>>>         "*by default*".
>>>
>>>         So something like:
>>>
>>>         *Themes are required to have all public-facing (both the
>>>         front-end and
>>>         back-end) text in English by default.*
>>>
>>>
>>>         Bryan Phillip Hadaway
>>>
>>>
>>>         Web & Graphic Designer
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>>>         bhadaway at gmail.com <mailto:bhadaway at gmail.com>
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>>>         On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Vicky Arulsingam <
>>>         vicky.arulsingam at gmail.com
>>>         <mailto:vicky.arulsingam at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             There seems to be some confusion regarding this item in
>>>             the Theme Review
>>>             guidelines in one of the reviews I'm doing with regards
>>>             to Translation
>>>             Support.
>>>
>>>             "Themes are *required* to have all public-facing text in
>>>             English."
>>>
>>>             My understanding is that all text the user sees - on the
>>>             front-end
>>>             (viewing the site) and the back-end (admin pages) must
>>>             be localized.
>>>             Others feel that this only refers to the front-end.
>>>
>>>             I personally find it strange that you're not going to
>>>             translate theme
>>>             options so a clarification would be great.
>>>
>>>             Or perhaps a better discussion would be: in what cases
>>>             would there be an
>>>             exception to translation e.g. dummy text in special
>>>             templates?
>>>
>>>             Thanks
>>>             -----
>>>             Vicky Arulsingam
>>>
>>>
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>>>         Message: 3
>>>         Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:34:18 -0500
>>>         From: Emil Uzelac <emil at themeid.com <mailto:emil at themeid.com>>
>>>         Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Translation Support
>>>         To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
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>>>         This is actually pretty straightforward (IMO).
>>>
>>>         Public-facing: *Theme Created by Author* (front-end) *Theme
>>>         Options... etc..
>>>         * (back-end) examples only.
>>>
>>>         So if author is including e.g. Theme Options, all that
>>>         should be in English
>>>         too, but also everything else visible to the user.
>>>
>>>         Localization in this case is not a requirement :)
>>>
>>>         Thanks,
>>>         Emil
>>>
>>>         On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Bryan Hadaway
>>>         <bhadaway at gmail.com <mailto:bhadaway at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             I think so, I'd wait for an admin of course. A good
>>>             appendage also would
>>>             be "*by default*".
>>>
>>>             So something like:
>>>
>>>             *Themes are required to have all public-facing (both the
>>>             front-end and
>>>             back-end) text in English by default.*
>>>
>>>
>>>             Bryan Phillip Hadaway
>>>
>>>
>>>             Web & Graphic Designer
>>>             calmestghost.com <http://calmestghost.com>
>>>             bhadaway at gmail.com <mailto:bhadaway at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>             On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Vicky Arulsingam <
>>>             vicky.arulsingam at gmail.com
>>>             <mailto:vicky.arulsingam at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                 There seems to be some confusion regarding this item
>>>                 in the Theme Review
>>>                 guidelines in one of the reviews I'm doing with
>>>                 regards to Translation
>>>                 Support.
>>>
>>>                 "Themes are *required* to have all public-facing
>>>                 text in English."
>>>
>>>                 My understanding is that all text the user sees - on
>>>                 the front-end
>>>                 (viewing the site) and the back-end (admin pages)
>>>                 must be localized.
>>>                 Others feel that this only refers to the front-end.
>>>
>>>                 I personally find it strange that you're not going
>>>                 to translate theme
>>>                 options so a clarification would be great.
>>>
>>>                 Or perhaps a better discussion would be: in what
>>>                 cases would there be an
>>>                 exception to translation e.g. dummy text in special
>>>                 templates?
>>>
>>>                 Thanks
>>>                 -----
>>>                 Vicky Arulsingam
>>>
>>>
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>>>         Message: 4
>>>         Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:47:48 +0800
>>>         From: Vicky Arulsingam <vicky.arulsingam at gmail.com
>>>         <mailto:vicky.arulsingam at gmail.com>>
>>>         Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Translation Support
>>>         To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>         <mailto:theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org>
>>>         Message-ID:
>>>                
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>>>         I agree with you - "Public facing" = "Everything the user sees"
>>>
>>>         I understand that localization is optional. The situation is
>>>         the theme
>>>         author is supporting translation but he has only localized
>>>         the template
>>>         files because he understands that "Public-Facing" is just
>>>         the front-end.
>>>         The theme options haven't been localized.
>>>
>>>         I just wanted to make sure that everyone here has the same
>>>         understanding :)
>>>
>>>         Thanks
>>>         -----
>>>         Vicky Arulsingam
>>>
>>>
>>>         On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Emil Uzelac
>>>         <emil at themeid.com <mailto:emil at themeid.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             This is actually pretty straightforward (IMO).
>>>
>>>             Public-facing: *Theme Created by Author* (front-end)
>>>             *Theme Options...
>>>             etc..* (back-end) examples only.
>>>
>>>             So if author is including e.g. Theme Options, all that
>>>             should be in
>>>             English too, but also everything else visible to the user.
>>>
>>>             Localization in this case is not a requirement :)
>>>
>>>             Thanks,
>>>             Emil
>>>
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>>>         Message: 5
>>>         Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:58:09 -0500
>>>         From: Emil Uzelac <emil at themeid.com <mailto:emil at themeid.com>>
>>>         Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Translation Support
>>>         To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>         <mailto:theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org>
>>>         Message-ID:
>>>                
>>>         <CAG4s18gfSmVvbEADDE7t1c14DVpQu4dHCEJBFRUbuY7ttbrrwQ at mail.gmail.com
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>>>
>>>         it's all good :)
>>>
>>>         Emil
>>>
>>>         On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Vicky Arulsingam <
>>>         vicky.arulsingam at gmail.com
>>>         <mailto:vicky.arulsingam at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             I agree with you - "Public facing" = "Everything the
>>>             user sees"
>>>
>>>             I understand that localization is optional. The
>>>             situation is the theme
>>>             author is supporting translation but he has only
>>>             localized the template
>>>             files because he understands that "Public-Facing" is
>>>             just the front-end.
>>>             The theme options haven't been localized.
>>>
>>>             I just wanted to make sure that everyone here has the
>>>             same understanding :)
>>>
>>>             Thanks
>>>             -----
>>>             Vicky Arulsingam
>>>
>>>
>>>             On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Emil Uzelac
>>>             <emil at themeid.com <mailto:emil at themeid.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                 This is actually pretty straightforward (IMO).
>>>
>>>                 Public-facing: *Theme Created by Author* (front-end)
>>>                 *Theme Options...
>>>                 etc..* (back-end) examples only.
>>>
>>>                 So if author is including e.g. Theme Options, all
>>>                 that should be in
>>>                 English too, but also everything else visible to the
>>>                 user.
>>>
>>>                 Localization in this case is not a requirement :)
>>>
>>>                 Thanks,
>>>                 Emil
>>>
>>>
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