<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Here's for another useless debate.<div><br><div><div>On Sep 13, 2012, at 8:01 PM, Lmm Muc wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13.09.2012 18:24, Justin Tadlock
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I'm going to make the guideline clear for those who don't
understand it. If you're going to internationalize your theme,
all text strings must be internationalized. It's an
all-or-nothing deal.<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:5051EBD0.3030708@gmail.com" type="cite"> To
think that any theme user would find the back end text being
translated to be "possibly more important" than the text his
visitors see is very unlikely to say the least. I am not sure
why you would say that.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Come talk to some of my users. I've got 100s, possibly 1,000s, of
them who can tell you the back end is what they need translated.
This is because they blog in English but like to have the admin in
their native language.<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:5051EBD0.3030708@gmail.com" type="cite">
Besides that the question remains whether it is even required at
present as per guidelines, there is no indication it is. <br>
</blockquote>
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It is most certainly required. The phrase "public-facing text"
means any text strings that can be read by someone viewing the
site, front or back end (i.e., any text printed to the screen).
Text that does not face the public is text that is not printed to
the screen. It has nothing to do with front or back end of the
site. It has everything to do with what can be seen on the site
versus what can be seen in the code.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
That's nothing more than your interpretation, and a questionable
one, too, I might add.<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:505208BA.50702@justintadlock.com" type="cite">
<br>
Whether you understand the guideline does not alter what the
guideline means.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Your pseudo harsh attitude doesn't impress me one bit. <br>
<br>
Get some style and try to be civil as others have managed to be in
this thread.<br>
<br>
And speaking of users, I am sure I have as many as you at the very
least. Not that it matters, but since you brought it up<br>
<br>
<br>
Flynn<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:505208BA.50702@justintadlock.com" type="cite">
<blockquote cite="mid:5051EBD0.3030708@gmail.com" type="cite"> <br>
Flynn<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:CAE5CyMi-9H=AMzDtiAvqnT41_HztFwWFw6tBHpQV1y3C_v3WiQ@mail.gmail.com" type="cite"><br clear="all">
Cais.<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Lmm
Muc <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lmmmuc@gmail.com" target="_blank">lmmmuc@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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subject of translating front-end and/or back-end of a
theme: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://lists.wordpress.org/pipermail/theme-reviewers/2012-September/010664.html" target="_blank">http://lists.wordpress.org/pipermail/theme-reviewers/2012-September/010664.html</a><br>
<br>
"Public-facing" seems pretty clear to me, both
semantically and in the context it is being used in the
Review Guidelines ("public-facing credit link"). It
obviously means the text on the front end of a web site,
the part that faces "the public", with the public being
the visitors of a site. It would be a stretch to count the
back end of a theme as "facing the public" - in this
context.<br>
<br>
The amount of text in a theme back end can be huge, even
more so if a lot of additional usage information is
provided. It would be an undue burden for translators if
they had to translate that as well in order to create a
full translation of a theme. What about illustrational
graphics in the back end? If we wanted to be really
pedantic there would also have to be localized versions of
graphics that contain text. Back end text may also change
more frequently than text on the the front end.<br>
<br>
This should be clarified in the review guidelines. A theme
should count as being "translation-ready" if all
public-facing text is localized, with "public facing"
being all the text that appears or may appear on the front
end of a site.<br>
<br>
It shouldn't be mandatory to have the back end localized
as well. Perhaps there should be a second theme tag for
this?<br>
<br>
Greetings<br>
Flynn<br>
<br>
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:38:00 +0800<br>
From: Vicky Arulsingam <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vicky.arulsingam@gmail.com" target="_blank">vicky.arulsingam@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [theme-reviewers] Translation Support<br>
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There seems to be some confusion regarding this item in
the Theme Review<br>
guidelines in one of the reviews I'm doing with regards
to Translation<br>
Support.<br>
<br>
"Themes are *required* to have all public-facing text in
English."<br>
<br>
My understanding is that all text the user sees - on the
front-end (viewing<br>
the site) and the back-end (admin pages) must be
localized.<br>
Others feel that this only refers to the front-end.<br>
<br>
I personally find it strange that you're not going to
translate theme<br>
options so a clarification would be great.<br>
<br>
Or perhaps a better discussion would be: in what cases
would there be an<br>
exception to translation e.g. dummy text in special
templates?<br>
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Thanks<br>
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:41:26 -0600<br>
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I think so, I'd wait for an admin of course. A good
appendage also would be<br>
"*by default*".<br>
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So something like:<br>
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*Themes are required to have all public-facing (both the
front-end and<br>
back-end) text in English by default.*<br>
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There seems to be some confusion regarding this item
in the Theme Review<br>
guidelines in one of the reviews I'm doing with
regards to Translation<br>
Support.<br>
<br>
"Themes are *required* to have all public-facing text
in English."<br>
<br>
My understanding is that all text the user sees - on
the front-end<br>
(viewing the site) and the back-end (admin pages) must
be localized.<br>
Others feel that this only refers to the front-end.<br>
<br>
I personally find it strange that you're not going to
translate theme<br>
options so a clarification would be great.<br>
<br>
Or perhaps a better discussion would be: in what cases
would there be an<br>
exception to translation e.g. dummy text in special
templates?<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
-----<br>
Vicky Arulsingam<br>
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:34:18 -0500<br>
From: Emil Uzelac <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:emil@themeid.com" target="_blank">emil@themeid.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Translation Support<br>
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This is actually pretty straightforward (IMO).<br>
<br>
Public-facing: *Theme Created by Author* (front-end)
*Theme Options... etc..<br>
* (back-end) examples only.<br>
<br>
So if author is including e.g. Theme Options, all that
should be in English<br>
too, but also everything else visible to the user.<br>
<br>
Localization in this case is not a requirement :)<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Emil<br>
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wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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think so, I'd wait for an admin of course. A good
appendage also would<br>
be "*by default*".<br>
<br>
So something like:<br>
<br>
*Themes are required to have all public-facing (both
the front-end and<br>
back-end) text in English by default.*<br>
<br>
<br>
Bryan Phillip Hadaway<br>
<br>
<br>
Web & Graphic Designer<br>
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wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
There seems to be some confusion regarding this item
in the Theme Review<br>
guidelines in one of the reviews I'm doing with
regards to Translation<br>
Support.<br>
<br>
"Themes are *required* to have all public-facing
text in English."<br>
<br>
My understanding is that all text the user sees - on
the front-end<br>
(viewing the site) and the back-end (admin pages)
must be localized.<br>
Others feel that this only refers to the front-end.<br>
<br>
I personally find it strange that you're not going
to translate theme<br>
options so a clarification would be great.<br>
<br>
Or perhaps a better discussion would be: in what
cases would there be an<br>
exception to translation e.g. dummy text in special
templates?<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
-----<br>
Vicky Arulsingam<br>
<br>
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:47:48 +0800<br>
From: Vicky Arulsingam <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vicky.arulsingam@gmail.com" target="_blank">vicky.arulsingam@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Translation Support<br>
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I agree with you - "Public facing" = "Everything the
user sees"<br>
<br>
I understand that localization is optional. The
situation is the theme<br>
author is supporting translation but he has only
localized the template<br>
files because he understands that "Public-Facing" is
just the front-end.<br>
The theme options haven't been localized.<br>
<br>
I just wanted to make sure that everyone here has the
same understanding :)<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
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Vicky Arulsingam<br>
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On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Emil Uzelac <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:emil@themeid.com" target="_blank">emil@themeid.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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This is actually pretty straightforward (IMO).<br>
<br>
Public-facing: *Theme Created by Author* (front-end)
*Theme Options...<br>
etc..* (back-end) examples only.<br>
<br>
So if author is including e.g. Theme Options, all that
should be in<br>
English too, but also everything else visible to the
user.<br>
<br>
Localization in this case is not a requirement :)<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Emil<br>
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:58:09 -0500<br>
From: Emil Uzelac <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:emil@themeid.com" target="_blank">emil@themeid.com</a>><br>
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it's all good :)<br>
<br>
Emil<br>
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On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Vicky Arulsingam <<br>
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wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> I
agree with you - "Public facing" = "Everything the
user sees"<br>
<br>
I understand that localization is optional. The
situation is the theme<br>
author is supporting translation but he has only
localized the template<br>
files because he understands that "Public-Facing" is
just the front-end.<br>
The theme options haven't been localized.<br>
<br>
I just wanted to make sure that everyone here has the
same understanding :)<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
-----<br>
Vicky Arulsingam<br>
<br>
<br>
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wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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This is actually pretty straightforward (IMO).<br>
<br>
Public-facing: *Theme Created by Author* (front-end)
*Theme Options...<br>
etc..* (back-end) examples only.<br>
<br>
So if author is including e.g. Theme Options, all
that should be in<br>
English too, but also everything else visible to the
user.<br>
<br>
Localization in this case is not a requirement :)<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Emil<br>
<br>
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