<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Here's for another useless debate.<div><br><div><div>On Sep 13, 2012, at 8:01 PM, Lmm Muc wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
  
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13.09.2012 18:24, Justin Tadlock
      wrote:<br>
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      I'm going to make the guideline clear for those who don't
      understand it.&nbsp; If you're going to internationalize your theme,
      all text strings must be internationalized.&nbsp; It's an
      all-or-nothing deal.<br>
      <br>
      <blockquote cite="mid:5051EBD0.3030708@gmail.com" type="cite"> To
        think that any theme user would find the back end text being
        translated to be "possibly more important" than the text his
        visitors see is very unlikely to say the least. I am not sure
        why you would say that.<br>
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      <br>
      Come talk to some of my users.&nbsp; I've got 100s, possibly 1,000s, of
      them who can tell you the back end is what they need translated.&nbsp;
      This is because they blog in English but like to have the admin in
      their native language.<br>
      <br>
      <blockquote cite="mid:5051EBD0.3030708@gmail.com" type="cite">
        Besides that the question remains whether it is even required at
        present as per guidelines, there is no indication it is. <br>
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      <br>
      It is most certainly required.&nbsp; The phrase "public-facing text"
      means any text strings that can be read by someone viewing the
      site, front or back end (i.e., any text printed to the screen).&nbsp;
      Text that does not face the public is text that is not printed to
      the screen.&nbsp; It has nothing to do with front or back end of the
      site.&nbsp;&nbsp; It has everything to do with what can be seen on the site
      versus what can be seen in the code.<br>
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    That's nothing more than your interpretation, and a questionable
    one, too, I might add.<br>
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      <br>
      Whether you understand the guideline does not alter what the
      guideline means.<br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    Your pseudo harsh attitude doesn't impress me one bit. <br>
    <br>
    Get some style and try to be civil as others have managed to be in
    this thread.<br>
    <br>
    And speaking of users, I am sure I have as many as you at the very
    least. Not that it matters, but since you brought it up<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    Flynn<br>
    <br>
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    <blockquote cite="mid:505208BA.50702@justintadlock.com" type="cite">
      <blockquote cite="mid:5051EBD0.3030708@gmail.com" type="cite"> <br>
        Flynn<br>
        <br>
        <blockquote cite="mid:CAE5CyMi-9H=AMzDtiAvqnT41_HztFwWFw6tBHpQV1y3C_v3WiQ@mail.gmail.com" type="cite"><br clear="all">
          Cais.<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Lmm
            Muc <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lmmmuc@gmail.com" target="_blank">lmmmuc@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
            wrote:<br>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
              .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> On the
              subject of translating front-end and/or back-end of a
              theme: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://lists.wordpress.org/pipermail/theme-reviewers/2012-September/010664.html" target="_blank">http://lists.wordpress.org/pipermail/theme-reviewers/2012-September/010664.html</a><br>
              <br>
              "Public-facing" seems pretty clear to me, both
              semantically and in the context it is being used in the
              Review Guidelines ("public-facing credit link"). It
              obviously means the text on the front end of a web site,
              the part that faces "the public", with the public being
              the visitors of a site. It would be a stretch to count the
              back end of a theme as "facing the public" - &nbsp;in this
              context.<br>
              <br>
              The amount of text in a theme back end can be huge, even
              more so if a lot of additional usage information is
              provided. It would be an undue burden for translators if
              they had to translate that as well in order to create a
              full translation of a theme. What about illustrational
              graphics in the back end? If we wanted to be really
              pedantic there would also have to be localized versions of
              graphics that contain text. Back end text may also change
              more frequently than text on the the front end.<br>
              <br>
              This should be clarified in the review guidelines. A theme
              should count as being "translation-ready" if all
              public-facing text is localized, with "public facing"
              being all the text that appears or may appear on the front
              end of a site.<br>
              <br>
              It shouldn't be mandatory to have the back end localized
              as well. Perhaps there should be a second theme tag for
              this?<br>
              <br>
              Greetings<br>
              Flynn<br>
              <br>
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                &nbsp; &nbsp; 1. Translation Support (Vicky Arulsingam)<br>
                &nbsp; &nbsp; 2. Re: Translation Support (Bryan Hadaway)<br>
                &nbsp; &nbsp; 3. Re: Translation Support (Emil Uzelac)<br>
                &nbsp; &nbsp; 4. Re: Translation Support (Vicky Arulsingam)<br>
                &nbsp; &nbsp; 5. Re: Translation Support (Emil Uzelac)<br>
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                Message: 1<br>
                Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:38:00 +0800<br>
                From: Vicky Arulsingam &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vicky.arulsingam@gmail.com" target="_blank">vicky.arulsingam@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                Subject: [theme-reviewers] Translation Support<br>
                To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br>
                Message-ID:<br>
                &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;CALc3iY0uN1k=YTvduK7x2zwj0RmXGW6=<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:BESJY1CSng-R_abVyw@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">BESJY1CSng-R_abVyw@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
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                There seems to be some confusion regarding this item in
                the Theme Review<br>
                guidelines in one of the reviews I'm doing with regards
                to Translation<br>
                Support.<br>
                <br>
                "Themes are *required* to have all public-facing text in
                English."<br>
                <br>
                My understanding is that all text the user sees - on the
                front-end (viewing<br>
                the site) and the back-end (admin pages) must be
                localized.<br>
                Others feel that this only refers to the front-end.<br>
                <br>
                I personally find it strange that you're not going to
                translate theme<br>
                options so a clarification would be great.<br>
                <br>
                Or perhaps a better discussion would be: in what cases
                would there be an<br>
                exception to translation e.g. dummy text in special
                templates?<br>
                <br>
                Thanks<br>
                -----<br>
                Vicky Arulsingam<br>
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                Message: 2<br>
                Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:41:26 -0600<br>
                From: Bryan Hadaway &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:bhadaway@gmail.com" target="_blank">bhadaway@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Translation Support<br>
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                Message-ID:<br>
                &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
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                I think so, I'd wait for an admin of course. A good
                appendage also would be<br>
                "*by default*".<br>
                <br>
                So something like:<br>
                <br>
                *Themes are required to have all public-facing (both the
                front-end and<br>
                back-end) text in English by default.*<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                Bryan Phillip Hadaway<br>
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                On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Vicky Arulsingam &lt;<br>
                <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vicky.arulsingam@gmail.com" target="_blank">vicky.arulsingam@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                wrote:<br>
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                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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                  There seems to be some confusion regarding this item
                  in the Theme Review<br>
                  guidelines in one of the reviews I'm doing with
                  regards to Translation<br>
                  Support.<br>
                  <br>
                  "Themes are *required* to have all public-facing text
                  in English."<br>
                  <br>
                  My understanding is that all text the user sees - on
                  the front-end<br>
                  (viewing the site) and the back-end (admin pages) must
                  be localized.<br>
                  Others feel that this only refers to the front-end.<br>
                  <br>
                  I personally find it strange that you're not going to
                  translate theme<br>
                  options so a clarification would be great.<br>
                  <br>
                  Or perhaps a better discussion would be: in what cases
                  would there be an<br>
                  exception to translation e.g. dummy text in special
                  templates?<br>
                  <br>
                  Thanks<br>
                  -----<br>
                  Vicky Arulsingam<br>
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                Message: 3<br>
                Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:34:18 -0500<br>
                From: Emil Uzelac &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:emil@themeid.com" target="_blank">emil@themeid.com</a>&gt;<br>
                Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Translation Support<br>
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                This is actually pretty straightforward (IMO).<br>
                <br>
                Public-facing: *Theme Created by Author* (front-end)
                *Theme Options... etc..<br>
                * (back-end) examples only.<br>
                <br>
                So if author is including e.g. Theme Options, all that
                should be in English<br>
                too, but also everything else visible to the user.<br>
                <br>
                Localization in this case is not a requirement :)<br>
                <br>
                Thanks,<br>
                Emil<br>
                <br>
                On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Bryan Hadaway &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:bhadaway@gmail.com" target="_blank">bhadaway@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                wrote:<br>
                <br>
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                  .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> I
                  think so, I'd wait for an admin of course. A good
                  appendage also would<br>
                  be "*by default*".<br>
                  <br>
                  So something like:<br>
                  <br>
                  *Themes are required to have all public-facing (both
                  the front-end and<br>
                  back-end) text in English by default.*<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  Bryan Phillip Hadaway<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  Web &amp; Graphic Designer<br>
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                  On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Vicky Arulsingam &lt;<br>
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                  wrote:<br>
                  <br>
                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                    .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                    There seems to be some confusion regarding this item
                    in the Theme Review<br>
                    guidelines in one of the reviews I'm doing with
                    regards to Translation<br>
                    Support.<br>
                    <br>
                    "Themes are *required* to have all public-facing
                    text in English."<br>
                    <br>
                    My understanding is that all text the user sees - on
                    the front-end<br>
                    (viewing the site) and the back-end (admin pages)
                    must be localized.<br>
                    Others feel that this only refers to the front-end.<br>
                    <br>
                    I personally find it strange that you're not going
                    to translate theme<br>
                    options so a clarification would be great.<br>
                    <br>
                    Or perhaps a better discussion would be: in what
                    cases would there be an<br>
                    exception to translation e.g. dummy text in special
                    templates?<br>
                    <br>
                    Thanks<br>
                    -----<br>
                    Vicky Arulsingam<br>
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                Message: 4<br>
                Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:47:48 +0800<br>
                From: Vicky Arulsingam &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vicky.arulsingam@gmail.com" target="_blank">vicky.arulsingam@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Translation Support<br>
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                I agree with you - "Public facing" = "Everything the
                user sees"<br>
                <br>
                I understand that localization is optional. The
                situation is the theme<br>
                author is supporting translation but he has only
                localized the template<br>
                files because he understands that "Public-Facing" is
                just the front-end.<br>
                The theme options haven't been localized.<br>
                <br>
                I just wanted to make sure that everyone here has the
                same understanding :)<br>
                <br>
                Thanks<br>
                -----<br>
                Vicky Arulsingam<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Emil Uzelac &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:emil@themeid.com" target="_blank">emil@themeid.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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                  .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                  This is actually pretty straightforward (IMO).<br>
                  <br>
                  Public-facing: *Theme Created by Author* (front-end)
                  *Theme Options...<br>
                  etc..* (back-end) examples only.<br>
                  <br>
                  So if author is including e.g. Theme Options, all that
                  should be in<br>
                  English too, but also everything else visible to the
                  user.<br>
                  <br>
                  Localization in this case is not a requirement :)<br>
                  <br>
                  Thanks,<br>
                  Emil<br>
                  <br>
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                Message: 5<br>
                Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:58:09 -0500<br>
                From: Emil Uzelac &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:emil@themeid.com" target="_blank">emil@themeid.com</a>&gt;<br>
                Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Translation Support<br>
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                &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:CAG4s18gfSmVvbEADDE7t1c14DVpQu4dHCEJBFRUbuY7ttbrrwQ@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">CAG4s18gfSmVvbEADDE7t1c14DVpQu4dHCEJBFRUbuY7ttbrrwQ@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
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                it's all good :)<br>
                <br>
                Emil<br>
                <br>
                On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Vicky Arulsingam &lt;<br>
                <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vicky.arulsingam@gmail.com" target="_blank">vicky.arulsingam@gmail.com</a>&gt;
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                <br>
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                  .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> I
                  agree with you - "Public facing" = "Everything the
                  user sees"<br>
                  <br>
                  I understand that localization is optional. The
                  situation is the theme<br>
                  author is supporting translation but he has only
                  localized the template<br>
                  files because he understands that "Public-Facing" is
                  just the front-end.<br>
                  The theme options haven't been localized.<br>
                  <br>
                  I just wanted to make sure that everyone here has the
                  same understanding :)<br>
                  <br>
                  Thanks<br>
                  -----<br>
                  Vicky Arulsingam<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Emil Uzelac &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:emil@themeid.com" target="_blank">emil@themeid.com</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<br>
                  <br>
                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                    .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                    This is actually pretty straightforward (IMO).<br>
                    <br>
                    Public-facing: *Theme Created by Author* (front-end)
                    *Theme Options...<br>
                    etc..* (back-end) examples only.<br>
                    <br>
                    So if author is including e.g. Theme Options, all
                    that should be in<br>
                    English too, but also everything else visible to the
                    user.<br>
                    <br>
                    Localization in this case is not a requirement :)<br>
                    <br>
                    Thanks,<br>
                    Emil<br>
                    <br>
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