[theme-reviewers] GPL-Compatibility

Thu Jun 5 15:53:02 UTC 2014

This is a very healthy discussion.
Do you mind if we move this to our blog and continue from there?

On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Marga Satrya <satrya at satrya.me> wrote:

> I have 4 site list to get free images for my work including theme demo.
> http://hiresstock.com
> http://picjumbo.com
> http://pixabay.com
> http://unsplash.com
>
> After I read some answer. None of them are gpl compatible. If I searched
> images under CC0, i just found a small good images.
>
> My question, where I can get a good images for theme demos with almost the
> same quality with 4 site above?
>
> If I purchase an images, does it compatible with gpl?
>
> Cheers,
> Satrya
>
> On Thu, Jun 05, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Stephen Cui <scui2005 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks - this is the guidelines I want to clarify.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>
>> Explicit declaration has been required for quite some time. The latest
>> Guidelines revisions now require that explicit declaration to be included
>> in the Theme readme file, or a license file.
>>
>> With explicit declaration, there is not need for reviewers to verify
>> every single source, as long as you recognize and understand the terms of
>> the license being declared.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Stephen Cui <scui2005 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I understand the screenshots are already policed and GPL applies to
>>> whole.theme. This is very clear. The question are:
>>>
>>> - if we require theme authors to explicitly declare the source and
>>> licence for every single image (including images used in screenshot).
>>> - if the reviewer has to verify every single source.
>>>
>>> If this is the case, many (if not most) themes fail this criteria.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Guidelines already state "100% GPL" for *everything* bundled with
>>>> the Theme. I'm not sure how much clearer or more explicit they can be?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 8:33 AM, rose tail <metallicarosetail at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes exactly setting the new guideline is the best way for reviewer
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Stephen Cui <scui2005 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Are we going to police the screenshot? I feel that we may went too
>>>>>> far for reviewer. If this is the case, we will have to set the guideline
>>>>>> for reviewers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Srikanth Koneru <tskk79 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so many themes were approved with unsplash and pixabay images, have
>>>>>>> to watch the #1 queue carefully
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pixabay appears to be a site where copyright holders upload their
>>>>>>>> images, and upon upload, Pixabay says, "by uploading, you agree to
>>>>>>>> distribute your pictures under the terms we specify".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, if the images are Public Domain outside of/prior to uploading
>>>>>>>> to Pixabay, then they remain Public Domain. But if the images are only CC0
>>>>>>>> because of the act of uploading to Pixabay, then they would be under the
>>>>>>>> *actual* terms of the site. And those *actual* terms impose
>>>>>>>> non-GPL-compatible restrictions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So again: you have to go back to the license specified by the
>>>>>>>> copyright holder.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 7:53 AM, Srikanth Koneru <tskk79 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But sometime back, you said the CC0 mentioned on the image
>>>>>>>>> overrides that and you okayed pixabay, so that is now null and void?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 5:21 PM, rose tail <
>>>>>>>>> metallicarosetail at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot for you suggestion
>>>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Chip Bennett <
>>>>>>>>>> chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Looking at the site's license terms:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://pixabay.com/en/service/terms/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think the images are licensed compatibly with GPL. For
>>>>>>>>>>> example:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    - *You may not use Images for* pornographic, unlawful or
>>>>>>>>>>>    other immoral purposes, or in a way that can give a bad name to depicted
>>>>>>>>>>>    persons, or to imply endorsement of products and services by identifiable
>>>>>>>>>>>    persons, brands, organisations, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>    - You are not allowed to mass download Images with an
>>>>>>>>>>>    application, *or reuse a big part of the Images for
>>>>>>>>>>>    redistribution on a similar Website*.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Neither of these terms is GPL-compatible.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 7:39 AM, Chip Bennett <
>>>>>>>>>>> chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What is the license of the specific image?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you don't know, then you can't use it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 7:38 AM, rose tail <
>>>>>>>>>>>> metallicarosetail at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can image be used from pixabay or not ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Bryan Hadaway <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bhadaway at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, that's always a possibility and it absolutely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Someone might rip off someone else's work or otherwise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> infringe and upload or re-release something under their claim of ownership
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or a new license, then anyone else that uses that work or even promotes it,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shares it with others, ends up inadvertently and ignorantly violating the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original owner's rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All we can do is navigate the sometimes tricky world of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trademark and copyright law and respect other's rights as much as we can,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the information we have, be kind to one another, in other words, be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mature adults and just use our common sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, if one day you get a legitimate cease and desist email
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which sometimes is just as unfortunate for the person that has to send out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such notices in the first place as it is for you to receive them), there's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no reason to be scared or get defensive, you should simply apologize, let
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them know that you had no idea you were violating their rights and work to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly and amicably resolve the issue. I'd say 9/10 times, that's all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, some people/companies might, on rare occasion,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try to seek monetary damages or to censor others whether you knew you were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing anything wrong or not. That's partly what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.chillingeffects.org/ is about covering.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's kind of a hope for the best, prepare for the worst type
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> situation. You can hope that everyone always does the right thing, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prepare for the fact that they most inevitably won't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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