[theme-reviewers] Bundled plugins

Sat Jan 25 15:42:55 UTC 2014

When you say bundle, are themes allowed only to ship plugins with them to
be installed manually , or are they allowed to install them automatically
too upon theme activation ?

2014-01-25 Bass Jobsen <bass at w3masters.nl>

> Hello,
>
> I found some themes who advertise to be "retina ready". Recently i dropped
> retina support from my theme in favor to a plugin (
> http://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-retina-2x/ ). If you don't use a plugin
> in this case, theme reviewers should still have to evaluate the built in
> retina support code.
> Evaluation this code should be as difficult or easy as reviewing plugin
> code will be.
> Guidelines don't tell you now  what functions should build in or not.
>
> Regards, Bass
>
>
> 2014/1/24 Jose Castaneda <jomcastaneda at gmail.com>
>
>> I totally agree with that. Main reason I chose to say case by case. :)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 11:40 AM, Justin Tadlock <justin at justintadlock.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  I agree that themes should not bundle plugins and would like to see a
>> guideline on this subject.  However, I do want to note that this is not
>> always a black-and-white thing.  Personally, I bundle several scripts with
>> my themes.  These are scripts written specifically for use in themes.  I
>> just also happen to have released them as standalone plugins for others to
>> use.  These plugins usually require users to enter code into their theme.
>> Basically, I just want reviewers to keep this in mind.
>>
>> Ultimately, what we're looking at is whether something belongs within the
>> theme, which means it should be related to the presentation of the site.  I
>> believe our guidelines already cover this perfectly fine.  Formalizing a
>> guideline on not bundling plugins will only serve to better clarify what we
>> already have in place.
>>
>> On 1/24/2014 1:21 PM, Emil Uzelac wrote:
>>
>> I have zero issues with that, but we should add few lines in our
>> guidelines :-)
>> On Jan 24, 2014 12:12 PM, "Chip Bennett" <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Regardless of the Guidelines' stance on bundled Plugins, reviews should
>>> *always* be conducted without any recommended Plugins.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Josh Pollock <jpollock412 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1 to Chip on making this a formal part of the guidelines.
>>>>
>>>>  I think the guidelines should specify if the review will be conducted
>>>> with and without any recommended plugins activated or just without.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Jose Castaneda <
>>>> jomcastaneda at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  I, too, feel it can be a requirement that themes not bundle it.
>>>>>
>>>>>  It not only takes up storage within the theme's folder but can, and,
>>>>> may differ from one in the repo. Who's to say they don't do a bait and
>>>>> switch.
>>>>>
>>>>>  From what I recall from wptavern's post about the plugin repo they
>>>>> are able to approve a plugin fairly quickly. The biggest reason for not
>>>>> getting approved is because the developer doesn't respond/fix the issues.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   ...which explains why bundled Plugins should not be allowed. Theme
>>>>> reviewers cannot reasonably be expected to review Plugin code.
>>>>>
>>>>>  We've been discussing it for a while now. Unless there remains some
>>>>> reasonable opposition, I would like to formalize it, and require that
>>>>> Themes not bundle Plugins.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Christine Rondeau <
>>>>> christine at bluelimemedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, oh.. I wasn't aware of that. I reviewed the theme, didn't see
>>>>>> anything wrong and so marked it as approved. I didn't even think to review
>>>>>> the plugins, but I don't think that I could anyway. Plugins fall in a total
>>>>>> different category.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I also work for cyberchimps. I do customer support for them and I
>>>>>> have a few themes in the repo under my name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Christine Rondeau
>>>>>> Bluelime Media
>>>>>> www.bluelimemedia.com
>>>>>> twitter: @bluelimemedia
>>>>>> skype: bluelimemedia
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:31 AM, Srikanth Koneru <tskk79 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  In recent discussion, its recommended not to bundle the plugin, if
>>>>>>> its bundled then it has to be reviewed too.
>>>>>>>  you work for cyberchimps too?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please don't beat yourself up, we have so many questions and
>>>>>>>> discussions going on and it ain't easy to keep up with all of them :-)
>>>>>>>>  On Jan 24, 2014 1:14 AM, "Christine Rondeau" <
>>>>>>>> christine at bluelimemedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ok good to know. I must have misread or thought I read about
>>>>>>>>> plugins not being allowed as part of the theme. I try to keep up with the
>>>>>>>>> list, but there's a bit too much sometimes . :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  I'll approve the theme then, since I think the rest is ok.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Cheers
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Christine Rondeau
>>>>>>>>> Bluelime Media
>>>>>>>>> www.bluelimemedia.com
>>>>>>>>> twitter: @bluelimemedia
>>>>>>>>> skype: bluelimemedia
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We don't have any special guidelines about plugin being part of
>>>>>>>>>> the Theme. It's recommended, but no it is not required. Many authors do :-)
>>>>>>>>>>  On Jan 24, 2014 1:00 AM, "Christine Rondeau" <
>>>>>>>>>> christine at bluelimemedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Just want to double check again, but I seem to recall that
>>>>>>>>>>> plugins CANNOT be bundled with themes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  I'm reviewing a theme right now -
>>>>>>>>>>> https://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/16203#comment:4
>>>>>>>>>>> and the theme works without the plugin and installing the
>>>>>>>>>>> plugins is optional, but if you choose to install these, they are
>>>>>>>>>>> downloaded directly from the theme.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  I'm pretty sure that this is not allowed right?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Christine
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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