[theme-reviewers] Bundled plugins

Sat Jan 25 09:56:56 UTC 2014

 Hello,

I found some themes who advertise to be "retina ready". Recently i dropped
retina support from my theme in favor to a plugin (
http://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-retina-2x/ ). If you don't use a plugin in
this case, theme reviewers should still have to evaluate the built in
retina support code.
Evaluation this code should be as difficult or easy as reviewing plugin
code will be.
Guidelines don't tell you now  what functions should build in or not.

Regards, Bass

2014/1/24 Jose Castaneda <jomcastaneda at gmail.com>

> I totally agree with that. Main reason I chose to say case by case. :)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 24, 2014, at 11:40 AM, Justin Tadlock <justin at justintadlock.com>
> wrote:
>
> I agree that themes should not bundle plugins and would like to see a
> guideline on this subject.  However, I do want to note that this is not
> always a black-and-white thing.  Personally, I bundle several scripts with
> my themes.  These are scripts written specifically for use in themes.  I
> just also happen to have released them as standalone plugins for others to
> use.  These plugins usually require users to enter code into their theme.
> Basically, I just want reviewers to keep this in mind.
>
> Ultimately, what we're looking at is whether something belongs within the
> theme, which means it should be related to the presentation of the site.  I
> believe our guidelines already cover this perfectly fine.  Formalizing a
> guideline on not bundling plugins will only serve to better clarify what we
> already have in place.
>
> On 1/24/2014 1:21 PM, Emil Uzelac wrote:
>
> I have zero issues with that, but we should add few lines in our
> guidelines :-)
> On Jan 24, 2014 12:12 PM, "Chip Bennett" <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>
>> Regardless of the Guidelines' stance on bundled Plugins, reviews should
>> *always* be conducted without any recommended Plugins.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Josh Pollock <jpollock412 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> +1 to Chip on making this a formal part of the guidelines.
>>>
>>>  I think the guidelines should specify if the review will be conducted
>>> with and without any recommended plugins activated or just without.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Jose Castaneda <jomcastaneda at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>  I, too, feel it can be a requirement that themes not bundle it.
>>>>
>>>>  It not only takes up storage within the theme's folder but can, and,
>>>> may differ from one in the repo. Who's to say they don't do a bait and
>>>> switch.
>>>>
>>>>  From what I recall from wptavern's post about the plugin repo they
>>>> are able to approve a plugin fairly quickly. The biggest reason for not
>>>> getting approved is because the developer doesn't respond/fix the issues.
>>>>
>>>>  Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   ...which explains why bundled Plugins should not be allowed. Theme
>>>> reviewers cannot reasonably be expected to review Plugin code.
>>>>
>>>>  We've been discussing it for a while now. Unless there remains some
>>>> reasonable opposition, I would like to formalize it, and require that
>>>> Themes not bundle Plugins.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Christine Rondeau <
>>>> christine at bluelimemedia.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, oh.. I wasn't aware of that. I reviewed the theme, didn't see
>>>>> anything wrong and so marked it as approved. I didn't even think to review
>>>>> the plugins, but I don't think that I could anyway. Plugins fall in a total
>>>>> different category.
>>>>>
>>>>>  I also work for cyberchimps. I do customer support for them and I
>>>>> have a few themes in the repo under my name.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Christine Rondeau
>>>>> Bluelime Media
>>>>> www.bluelimemedia.com
>>>>> twitter: @bluelimemedia
>>>>> skype: bluelimemedia
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:31 AM, Srikanth Koneru <tskk79 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  In recent discussion, its recommended not to bundle the plugin, if
>>>>>> its bundled then it has to be reviewed too.
>>>>>>  you work for cyberchimps too?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please don't beat yourself up, we have so many questions and
>>>>>>> discussions going on and it ain't easy to keep up with all of them :-)
>>>>>>>  On Jan 24, 2014 1:14 AM, "Christine Rondeau" <
>>>>>>> christine at bluelimemedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok good to know. I must have misread or thought I read about
>>>>>>>> plugins not being allowed as part of the theme. I try to keep up with the
>>>>>>>> list, but there's a bit too much sometimes . :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  I'll approve the theme then, since I think the rest is ok.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Cheers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Christine Rondeau
>>>>>>>> Bluelime Media
>>>>>>>> www.bluelimemedia.com
>>>>>>>> twitter: @bluelimemedia
>>>>>>>> skype: bluelimemedia
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We don't have any special guidelines about plugin being part of
>>>>>>>>> the Theme. It's recommended, but no it is not required. Many authors do :-)
>>>>>>>>>  On Jan 24, 2014 1:00 AM, "Christine Rondeau" <
>>>>>>>>> christine at bluelimemedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Just want to double check again, but I seem to recall that
>>>>>>>>>> plugins CANNOT be bundled with themes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  I'm reviewing a theme right now -
>>>>>>>>>> https://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/16203#comment:4
>>>>>>>>>> and the theme works without the plugin and installing the plugins
>>>>>>>>>> is optional, but if you choose to install these, they are downloaded
>>>>>>>>>> directly from the theme.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  I'm pretty sure that this is not allowed right?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Christine
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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