[theme-reviewers] Asking users to review the theme

Thu Nov 21 00:33:41 UTC 2013

I am thinking the manner in which it was done and personally don't see
the problem of having that extra link from Theme Options :) It leads to
WPORG anyways.

On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Justin Tadlock <justin at justintadlock.com>wrote:

>  After the theme promotion discussion, I got the impression that we were
> after far worse things than giving the user a link back to review the theme
> on WordPress.org.
>
> Is it the manner in which it was done or is it simply that the link itself
> shouldn't be allowed?
>
> Just trying to get everyone on the same page here since this has already
> been opened up here for discussion in the mailing list.
>
>
> On 11/20/2013 5:17 PM, emin ozlem wrote:
>
>  Thank you i appreciate all the review team taking their time to do
> those. I would be more than happy to chip in and make some reviews myself
> when i have a better understanding of it - of course if my help is needed.
>  As for "asking for reviews" i think you should really reconsider your
> stance on this. It may be against the rules to endorse the user to rate 5*
> however i see no harm and think it could improve overall experience if
> developers are allowed to remind the users to rate & review the theme. I
> mean they are not forced to rate 5* after all, they could as well rate 2*
> stars for the annoying reminder :D It's up to the user really. As long as
> the notice doesnt endorse or effect the user to rate positively an honest
> feedback would always help.
>
>
> 2013/11/21 Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>
>
>> The short answer to that is: Plugins have different Guidelines and review
>> criteria, and are handled by an entirely different team.
>>
>>  As for the ticket itself: all reviewers - whether a trainee, a regular
>> reviewer, or an admin - are (or *should* be) willing to discuss any
>> questions that you have. Even if something seems set in stone, feel free to
>> ask. Those discussions are healthy - and sometimes reviewers (even admins)
>> are wrong. We want to encourage those discussions happening between
>> reviewers and developers, as much as possible. It gets tickets approved
>> faster, and helps us become better reviewers.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:52 PM, emin ozlem <eminozlem at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  I perfectly understand what you say. I thought there was nothing to
>>> ask in the ticket, since you made it clear it was against to rules. So
>>> instead of arguing it with you personally why it's against the rules, i
>>> wanted to open up a public  discussion as to why it is not allowed and if
>>> we can allow it.
>>>  I mean why can a plugin openly ask "Rate 5* for this plugin" and the
>>> theme can not ? I honestly could care less if they voted 3-4-5 stars, i
>>> just need actual user feedback to improve up on. People usually do not tend
>>> to do reviews unless they are prompted or "reminded" to do so.
>>>  Maybe we can put some limit the usage of it like the limitations on the
>>> linkbacks to the author, put some rules on how can it be asked from user.
>>> Like do not say "vote me 5 stars", i dont know.For example I had made mine
>>> a "one time only" notice intentionally in order not to disturb user, not to
>>> mention that it can already be opted-out upon installation.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/11/21 Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>
>>>
>>>> The point is: you should ask the reviewer in the ticket first. Not the
>>>> mail list or the forums: in the ticket.
>>>>
>>>>  Review tickets are meant to be a discussion between reviewer and
>>>> developer, and the process works much more smoothly when that happens.
>>>> That's why we ask developers to ask questions in the ticket before going
>>>> elsewhere, and why we ask reviewers to keep tickets open after leaving
>>>> review comments.
>>>>
>>>>  The mail-list *is* a place for general discussion, and everyone is
>>>> welcome to use it for that. But if a question is directly related to a
>>>> review comment, the first place that discussion should take place is in the
>>>> ticket. If an issue or question can't be adequately addressed, then bring
>>>> an admin into the ticket.
>>>>
>>>>  Our goal is to ensure that Themes make it through the approval as
>>>> expediently as possible. That's why we ask that in-ticket issues be handled
>>>> in-ticket first. Once the Theme is approved, then by all means: open up
>>>> general discussion on the mail-list.
>>>>
>>>>  As for the forums: that's the worst-possible place to go for Theme
>>>> Review-related questions. The Theme Review Team members generally don't
>>>> monitor the forums (unless pinged).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:35 PM, emin ozlem <eminozlem at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Firstly, my email to the list was not meant to bypass your review or
>>>>> ask for second opinion behind your back. Like i said, i understand it's
>>>>> against the rules as you said. I just wanted to know how and why it's
>>>>> allowed for plugins and not for themes.
>>>>>  Thanks for the link to the discussion, i thought mail list was
>>>>> something we could make use of when we have questions we could not find
>>>>> answers to. Next time i will ask in forums first.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2013/11/21 Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>
>>>>>
>>>>>> First, in-ticket questions should be handled first *in-ticket*. If
>>>>>> you have a question, ask the reviewer, in the ticket. The mail-list should
>>>>>> not be used as an end-around to bypass review comments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Second, please refer to the discussion, here:
>>>>>> http://make.wordpress.org/themes/2013/11/04/wp-admin-theme-promotion/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:38 PM, emin ozlem <eminozlem at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   I've added a one-time only message to suggest user to review the
>>>>>>> theme, and i am told it's against the rules ?
>>>>>>>  I mean i've seen plenty of plugins asking for 5star reviews, and i
>>>>>>> havent even done that, i simply wrote "please review, all kind of feedback
>>>>>>> helps".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Is it against the themes guidelines, and if it's, how come it's not
>>>>>>> for the plugins ?
>>>>>>>
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