<div dir="ltr">I am thinking the manner in which it was done and personally don't see<div>the problem of having that extra link from Theme Options :) It leads to</div><div>WPORG anyways.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Justin Tadlock <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:justin@justintadlock.com" target="_blank">justin@justintadlock.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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After the theme promotion discussion, I got the impression that we
were after far worse things than giving the user a link back to
review the theme on WordPress.org. <br>
<br>
Is it the manner in which it was done or is it simply that the link
itself shouldn't be allowed? <br>
<br>
Just trying to get everyone on the same page here since this has
already been opened up here for discussion in the mailing list.<div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div>On 11/20/2013 5:17 PM, emin ozlem
wrote:<br>
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<div>Thank you i appreciate all the review team taking their
time to do those. I would be more than happy to chip in and
make some reviews myself when i have a better understanding of
it - of course if my help is needed.<br>
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As for "asking for reviews" i think you should really reconsider
your stance on this. It may be against the rules to endorse the
user to rate 5* however i see no harm and think it could improve
overall experience if developers are allowed to remind the users
to rate & review the theme. I mean they are not forced to
rate 5* after all, they could as well rate 2* stars for the
annoying reminder :D It's up to the user really. As long as the
notice doesnt endorse or effect the user to rate positively an
honest feedback would always help.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2013/11/21 Chip Bennett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank">chip@chipbennett.net</a>></span><br>
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<div dir="ltr">The short answer to that is: Plugins have
different Guidelines and review criteria, and are handled
by an entirely different team.
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<div>As for the ticket itself: all reviewers - whether a
trainee, a regular reviewer, or an admin - are (or
*should* be) willing to discuss any questions that you
have. Even if something seems set in stone, feel free to
ask. Those discussions are healthy - and sometimes
reviewers (even admins) are wrong. We want to encourage
those discussions happening between reviewers and
developers, as much as possible. It gets tickets
approved faster, and helps us become better reviewers.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:52
PM, emin ozlem <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eminozlem@gmail.com" target="_blank">eminozlem@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>I perfectly understand what you say. I
thought there was nothing to ask in the
ticket, since you made it clear it was
against to rules. So instead of arguing it
with you personally why it's against the
rules, i wanted to open up a public
discussion as to why it is not allowed and
if we can allow it.<br>
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I mean why can a plugin openly ask "Rate 5*
for this plugin" and the theme can not ? I
honestly could care less if they voted 3-4-5
stars, i just need actual user feedback to
improve up on. People usually do not tend to
do reviews unless they are prompted or
"reminded" to do so.<br>
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Maybe we can put some limit the usage of it like
the limitations on the linkbacks to the author,
put some rules on how can it be asked from user.
Like do not say "vote me 5 stars", i dont
know.For example I had made mine a "one time
only" notice intentionally in order not to
disturb user, not to mention that it can already
be opted-out upon installation.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2013/11/21 Chip
Bennett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank">chip@chipbennett.net</a>></span><br>
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<div dir="ltr">The point is: you should
ask the reviewer in the ticket first.
Not the mail list or the forums: in
the ticket.
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<div>Review tickets are meant to be a
discussion between reviewer and
developer, and the process works
much more smoothly when that
happens. That's why we ask
developers to ask questions in the
ticket before going elsewhere, and
why we ask reviewers to keep tickets
open after leaving review comments.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>The mail-list *is* a place for
general discussion, and everyone is
welcome to use it for that. But if a
question is directly related to a
review comment, the first place that
discussion should take place is in
the ticket. If an issue or question
can't be adequately addressed, then
bring an admin into the ticket. </div>
<div><br>
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<div>Our goal is to ensure that Themes
make it through the approval as
expediently as possible. That's why
we ask that in-ticket issues be
handled in-ticket first. Once the
Theme is approved, then by all
means: open up general discussion on
the mail-list.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>As for the forums: that's the
worst-possible place to go for Theme
Review-related questions. The Theme
Review Team members generally don't
monitor the forums (unless pinged).</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed,
Nov 20, 2013 at 5:35 PM, emin
ozlem <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eminozlem@gmail.com" target="_blank">eminozlem@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Firstly, my email to
the list was not meant to
bypass your review or ask
for second opinion behind
your back. Like i said, i
understand it's against
the rules as you said. I
just wanted to know how
and why it's allowed for
plugins and not for
themes.<br>
</div>
Thanks for the link to the
discussion, i thought mail
list was something we could
make use of when we have
questions we could not find
answers to. Next time i will
ask in forums first.<br>
</div>
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<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2013/11/21
Chip Bennett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank">chip@chipbennett.net</a>></span><br>
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<div dir="ltr">First,
in-ticket
questions should
be handled first
*in-ticket*. If
you have a
question, ask the
reviewer, in the
ticket. The
mail-list should
not be used as an
end-around to
bypass review
comments.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Second,
please refer to
the discussion,
here:</div>
<div><a href="http://make.wordpress.org/themes/2013/11/04/wp-admin-theme-promotion/" target="_blank">http://make.wordpress.org/themes/2013/11/04/wp-admin-theme-promotion/</a><br>
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<div>On Wed, Nov
20, 2013 at
4:38 PM, emin
ozlem <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eminozlem@gmail.com" target="_blank">eminozlem@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>I've
added a
one-time only
message to
suggest user
to review the
theme, and i
am told it's
against the
rules ?<br>
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I mean i've
seen plenty of
plugins asking
for 5star
reviews, and i
havent even
done that, i
simply wrote
"please
review, all
kind of
feedback
helps". <br>
<br>
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Is it against
the themes
guidelines,
and if it's,
how come it's
not for the
plugins ?<br>
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