<div dir="ltr">I am thinking the manner in which it was done and personally don't see<div>the problem of having that extra link from Theme Options :) It leads to</div><div>WPORG anyways.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Justin Tadlock <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:justin@justintadlock.com" target="_blank">justin@justintadlock.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

  
    
  
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    After the theme promotion discussion, I got the impression that we
    were after far worse things than giving the user a link back to
    review the theme on WordPress.org. <br>
    <br>
    Is it the manner in which it was done or is it simply that the link
    itself shouldn't be allowed? <br>
    <br>
    Just trying to get everyone on the same page here since this has
    already been opened up here for discussion in the mailing list.<div><div class="h5"><br>
    <br>
    <div>On 11/20/2013 5:17 PM, emin ozlem
      wrote:<br>
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        <div>Thank you i appreciate all the review team taking their
          time to do those. I would be more than happy to chip in and
          make some reviews myself when i have a better understanding of
          it - of course if my help is needed.<br>
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        As for "asking for reviews" i think you should really reconsider
        your stance on this. It may be against the rules to endorse the
        user to rate 5* however i see no harm and think it could improve
        overall experience if developers are allowed to remind the users
        to rate & review the theme. I mean they are not forced to
        rate 5* after all, they could as well rate 2* stars for the
        annoying reminder :D It's up to the user really. As long as the
        notice doesnt endorse or effect the user to rate positively an
        honest feedback would always help.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2013/11/21 Chip Bennett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank">chip@chipbennett.net</a>></span><br>
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            <div dir="ltr">The short answer to that is: Plugins have
              different Guidelines and review criteria, and are handled
              by an entirely different team. 
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              <div>As for the ticket itself: all reviewers - whether a
                trainee, a regular reviewer, or an admin - are (or
                *should* be) willing to discuss any questions that you
                have. Even if something seems set in stone, feel free to
                ask. Those discussions are healthy - and sometimes
                reviewers (even admins) are wrong. We want to encourage
                those discussions happening between reviewers and
                developers, as much as possible. It gets tickets
                approved faster, and helps us become better reviewers.</div>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:52
                    PM, emin ozlem <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eminozlem@gmail.com" target="_blank">eminozlem@gmail.com</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                          <div>I perfectly understand what you say. I
                            thought there was nothing to ask in the
                            ticket, since you made it clear it was
                            against to rules. So instead of arguing it
                            with you personally why it's against the
                            rules, i wanted to open up a public 
                            discussion as to why it is not allowed and
                            if we can allow it.<br>
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                          I mean why can a plugin openly ask "Rate 5*
                          for this plugin" and the theme can not ? I
                          honestly could care less if they voted 3-4-5
                          stars, i just need actual user feedback to
                          improve up on. People usually do not tend to
                          do reviews unless they are prompted or
                          "reminded" to do so.<br>
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                        Maybe we can put some limit the usage of it like
                        the limitations on the linkbacks to the author,
                        put some rules on how can it be asked from user.
                        Like do not say "vote me 5 stars", i dont
                        know.For example I had made mine a "one time
                        only" notice intentionally in order not to
                        disturb user, not to mention that it can already
                        be opted-out upon installation.<br>
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                            <br>
                            <div class="gmail_quote">2013/11/21 Chip
                              Bennett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank">chip@chipbennett.net</a>></span><br>
                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                <div dir="ltr">The point is: you should
                                  ask the reviewer in the ticket first.
                                  Not the mail list or the forums: in
                                  the ticket.
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Review tickets are meant to be a
                                    discussion between reviewer and
                                    developer, and the process works
                                    much more smoothly when that
                                    happens. That's why we ask
                                    developers to ask questions in the
                                    ticket before going elsewhere, and
                                    why we ask reviewers to keep tickets
                                    open after leaving review comments.</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>The mail-list *is* a place for
                                    general discussion, and everyone is
                                    welcome to use it for that. But if a
                                    question is directly related to a
                                    review comment, the first place that
                                    discussion should take place is in
                                    the ticket. If an issue or question
                                    can't be adequately addressed, then
                                    bring an admin into the ticket. </div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Our goal is to ensure that Themes
                                    make it through the approval as
                                    expediently as possible. That's why
                                    we ask that in-ticket issues be
                                    handled in-ticket first. Once the
                                    Theme is approved, then by all
                                    means: open up general discussion on
                                    the mail-list.</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>As for the forums: that's the
                                    worst-possible place to go for Theme
                                    Review-related questions. The Theme
                                    Review Team members generally don't
                                    monitor the forums (unless pinged).</div>
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                                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed,
                                        Nov 20, 2013 at 5:35 PM, emin
                                        ozlem <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eminozlem@gmail.com" target="_blank">eminozlem@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                        wrote:<br>
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                                            <div>Firstly, my email to
                                              the list was not meant to
                                              bypass your review or ask
                                              for second opinion behind
                                              your back. Like i said, i
                                              understand it's against
                                              the rules as you said. I
                                              just wanted to know how
                                              and why it's allowed for
                                              plugins and not for
                                              themes.<br>
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                                            Thanks for the link to the
                                            discussion, i thought mail
                                            list was something we could
                                            make use of when we have
                                            questions we could not find
                                            answers to. Next time i will
                                            ask in forums first.<br>
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                                                <div class="gmail_quote">2013/11/21
                                                  Chip Bennett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank">chip@chipbennett.net</a>></span><br>
                                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                    <div dir="ltr">First,
                                                      in-ticket
                                                      questions should
                                                      be handled first
                                                      *in-ticket*. If
                                                      you have a
                                                      question, ask the
                                                      reviewer, in the
                                                      ticket. The
                                                      mail-list should
                                                      not be used as an
                                                      end-around to
                                                      bypass review
                                                      comments.
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>Second,
                                                        please refer to
                                                        the discussion,
                                                        here:</div>
                                                      <div><a href="http://make.wordpress.org/themes/2013/11/04/wp-admin-theme-promotion/" target="_blank">http://make.wordpress.org/themes/2013/11/04/wp-admin-theme-promotion/</a><br>

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                                                      <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                        <div>On Wed, Nov
                                                          20, 2013 at
                                                          4:38 PM, emin
                                                          ozlem <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eminozlem@gmail.com" target="_blank">eminozlem@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>I've
                                                          added a
                                                          one-time only
                                                          message to
                                                          suggest user
                                                          to review the
                                                          theme, and i
                                                          am told it's
                                                          against the
                                                          rules ?<br>
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                                                          I mean i've
                                                          seen plenty of
                                                          plugins asking
                                                          for 5star
                                                          reviews, and i
                                                          havent even
                                                          done that, i
                                                          simply wrote
                                                          "please
                                                          review, all
                                                          kind of
                                                          feedback
                                                          helps". <br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          Is it against
                                                          the themes
                                                          guidelines,
                                                          and if it's,
                                                          how come it's
                                                          not for the
                                                          plugins ?<br>
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                                                    mailing list<br>
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