[theme-reviewers] Newbie theme reviewer question - Browser compatability
Paul Appleyard
paul at spacecat.com
Sat Feb 2 08:33:11 UTC 2013
Those things are quite hefty, I would not like to be hit by one :)
Paul
On 2/02/2013 1:45 AM, Edward Caissie wrote:
> We'll just get MS to sponsor the team and let them provide the Surface
> to all of us ... they seem to be throwing it everywhere else
>
> Edward Caissie
> aka Cais.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Doug Stewart <zamoose at gmail.com
> <mailto:zamoose at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I think the answer is plain:
>
> Sign up as a reviewer and the TRT sends you a Surface. *grin*
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Alex Watson <alex at alexwatson.co.uk
> <mailto:alex at alexwatson.co.uk>> wrote:
>
> Great stuff - I'm really pleased to see this happening :)
>
> Alex
>
> On Friday, 1 February 2013 at 14:18, Edward Caissie wrote:
>
>> Great! We'll see about getting it added to "Make" as well
>>
>> Edward Caissie
>> aka Cais.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Kirk Wight <kwight at kwight.ca
>> <mailto:kwight at kwight.ca>> wrote:
>>> My creds don't allow me to edit Make, but I added it to the
>>> Codex here:
>>> http://codex.wordpress.org/Theme_Development#Testing_and_QA
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1 February 2013 08:54, Edward Caissie
>>> <edward.caissie at gmail.com <mailto:edward.caissie at gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>> @Kirk - That should actually get onto the Make site as a
>>>> reference / resource / tool
>>>>
>>>> Edward Caissie
>>>> aka Cais.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Kirk Wight
>>>> <kwight at kwight.ca <mailto:kwight at kwight.ca>> wrote:
>>>>> Repeated, completely off-topic but entirely related,
>>>>> Microsoft has produced a site at http://modern.ie that
>>>>> makes testing IE as simple as possible (providing VHDs for
>>>>> Mac and Linux as well). Just in case anyone missed it :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1 February 2013 08:42, Edward Caissie
>>>>> <edward.caissie at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:edward.caissie at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> As long as the reviewer is using a "modern" browser in
>>>>>> their process I am not overly concerned they review the
>>>>>> theme in multiple browsers. For the most part, what we as
>>>>>> reviewers are looking at will be apparent no matter which
>>>>>> browser the theme is being viewed with; and, also, visual
>>>>>> issues with the theme tend to fall mostly to aesthetics
>>>>>> which also (for the most part) are not requirements that
>>>>>> need to be met for approval.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, all that being written, if a reviewer finds that in
>>>>>> a specific browser something doesn't *look* right (but
>>>>>> does *work* correctly) it is strongly recommended the
>>>>>> reviewer let the theme author know so they can address
>>>>>> that issue if they choose to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Edward Caissie
>>>>>> aka Cais.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:08 AM, Paul Appleyard
>>>>>> <paul at spacecat.com <mailto:paul at spacecat.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/02/2013 5:53 PM, Alex Watson wrote:
>>>>>>>> I think we should recommend that the theme works in all
>>>>>>>> modern browsers. Microsoft have just launched
>>>>>>>> http://www.modern.ie <http://www.modern.ie/> making it
>>>>>>>> a lot easier to test in IE. Being a web developer I
>>>>>>>> have a Browserstack account, as making sure my work is
>>>>>>>> cross browser compatible is essential to me. Besides,
>>>>>>>> nowadays its a lot easier to make sure sites work in
>>>>>>>> IE, compared to the days of IE6!
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> /Agreed; but once again it comes down to the reviewer
>>>>>>> testing it in all modern browsers./
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Btw the guy who built the theme has got back to me and
>>>>>>>> says that the theme does not support IE9+. (odd, as i
>>>>>>>> notice he does include the html5shiv.js, so he must be
>>>>>>>> thinking about IE at least. Anyway I am yet to actually
>>>>>>>> test his site in IE) As a theme reviewer, regardless of
>>>>>>>> the guidelines I will be testing in all modern browsers
>>>>>>>> anyway. If a site totally breaks in IE9+ (perhaps even
>>>>>>>> in IE8) then I'd have concerns.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /So 'does not support IE9+' would mean all IE versions -
>>>>>>> unless for some weird reason it works in, say, IE8 ..
>>>>>>> but I guess what he's saying is that he doesn't expect
>>>>>>> it to work properly in IE. Out of curiosity, what are
>>>>>>> these features that IE can't handle?/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /Paul/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, 1 February 2013 at 07:13, Paul Appleyard wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Any new browser-centric requirements would hit a
>>>>>>>>> limitation on what browser the reviewer uses, or can
>>>>>>>>> use. So there's a built-in restriction on browser
>>>>>>>>> support, in that it must support the reviewer's
>>>>>>>>> browser, which is very likely a recent Chrome or
>>>>>>>>> Firefox iteration.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I guess it (theme-specified browser requirements)
>>>>>>>>> would also come in to play as an issue if the theme
>>>>>>>>> author is implementing some pretty specific Javascript
>>>>>>>>> or HTML5 (some advanced canvas manipulation stuff for
>>>>>>>>> example, although Excanvas helps there too with IE7/8)
>>>>>>>>> And that's bleeding in to plugin territory, really.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To sum up: If it doesn't break in a way to fail on
>>>>>>>>> existing guidelines, let it be. Therefore, the only
>>>>>>>>> amendment to review guidelines would be that testing
>>>>>>>>> be done in an up-to-date browser; is that requirement
>>>>>>>>> in there already?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1/02/2013 2:43 PM, Justin Tadlock wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty much in agreement with Chip.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My personal rule in regards to IE is to support the 2
>>>>>>>>>> latest versions, which are currently 9 and 10.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/31/2013 7:03 PM, Chip Bennett wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I have no problem with it. A properly developed and
>>>>>>>>>>> designed Theme should have minimal IE issues
>>>>>>>>>>> anymore, anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't "support" IE with my Theme, either. I can't;
>>>>>>>>>>> I use Linux, and thus have no way of even *running* IE.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Doing something that actively *excludes* IE (or any
>>>>>>>>>>> other browser) would certainly not be acceptable;
>>>>>>>>>>> but developing a standards-compliant Theme, and
>>>>>>>>>>> opting not to jump through hoops for IE? Meh;
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't bother me all that much.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Edward Caissie
>>>>>>>>>>> <edward.caissie at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:edward.caissie at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Flatly not supporting one of the most commonly
>>>>>>>>>>>> found browsers (not necessarily used but it does
>>>>>>>>>>>> come with Windows) is not a very good idea; and
>>>>>>>>>>>> although we do not have any specific guidelines in
>>>>>>>>>>>> place I think if a Theme Author is going that route
>>>>>>>>>>>> something that significant should be in the Theme
>>>>>>>>>>>> description.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As it is, you would be better served by asking the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Theme author to explain that statement before
>>>>>>>>>>>> making any assumptions. As noted, it may only be
>>>>>>>>>>>> that they are supporting current versions of IE and
>>>>>>>>>>>> simply left off the version number in their readme
>>>>>>>>>>>> file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Myself, for general distribution themes, I only
>>>>>>>>>>>> support current (or one version back at the most)
>>>>>>>>>>>> browsers. I don't state the actual version only
>>>>>>>>>>>> making reference to the browser being current. Of
>>>>>>>>>>>> course, client work is generally different but
>>>>>>>>>>>> those "rules" do not necessarily apply here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Edward Caissie
>>>>>>>>>>>> aka Cais.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:12 PM, John Heimkes IV
>>>>>>>>>>>> <john at heimk.es <mailto:john at heimk.es>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a great question, actually. I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> know what the general consensus is on this matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't worry about being fussy. I've been doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> front-end for many years. So, I totally get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My personal opinion is if they're not going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> support certain browsers (aka, the browsers most
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us web developers have to support on a daily
>>>>>>>>>>>>> basis), the author /should/ make it known up front
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - especially in the CSS file for good
>>>>>>>>>>>>> documentation purposes. Some sort of clarification
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the author would be nice in this case. Maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're just not supporting older versions of IE
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it looks fine in IE10, and maybe even IE9.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, I hope someone else has a better answer!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> John Heimkes IV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2013, at 6:03 PM, Srikanth Koneru
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <tskk79 at gmail.com <mailto:tskk79 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since IE has at least 30% browser share, I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theme has to support it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 5:31 AM, Alex Watson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alex at alexwatson.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:alex at alexwatson.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I'm reviewing my first theme, and a few mins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into it I find this in the readme.txt:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * NOT SUPPORTED on Internet Explore *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is that okay? Are themes allowed to be built and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not work in IE at all? It's probably the fussy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> web developer side of me coming out here, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything I do has to work in IE8+ :) I've not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got so far as to have tested it in IE yet, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are we even required to do cross browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> testing? I think we should, but I can't see that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the review guidelines anywhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, please let me know if I'm just being too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fussy here! (and sorry if this has been asked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before but I just joined this mailing list a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of days ago)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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