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Those things are quite hefty, I would not like to be hit by one :)<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/02/2013 1:45 AM, Edward Caissie
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">We'll just get MS to sponsor the team and let them
provide the Surface to all of us ... they seem to be throwing it
everywhere else<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
<div>Edward Caissie<br>
aka Cais.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Doug
Stewart <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:zamoose@gmail.com" target="_blank">zamoose@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I think the answer is plain:
<div><br>
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<div>Sign up as a reviewer and the TRT sends you a
Surface. *grin*</div>
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<div class="h5"><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:21
AM, Alex Watson <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:alex@alexwatson.co.uk"
target="_blank">alex@alexwatson.co.uk</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div> Great stuff - I'm really pleased to see this
happening :) </div>
<span><font color="#888888">
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<div>Alex</div>
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<p style="color:#a0a0a8">On Friday, 1 February
2013 at 14:18, Edward Caissie wrote:</p>
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<div dir="ltr">Great! We'll see about
getting it added to "Make" as well<br>
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<div><br clear="all">
<div>Edward Caissie<br>
aka Cais.</div>
<br>
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<div>On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:13 AM,
Kirk Wight <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kwight@kwight.ca"
target="_blank">kwight@kwight.ca</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>
My creds don't allow me to
edit Make, but I added it to
the Codex here: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://codex.wordpress.org/Theme_Development#Testing_and_QA"
target="_blank">http://codex.wordpress.org/Theme_Development#Testing_and_QA</a>
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08:54, Edward Caissie <span
dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:edward.caissie@gmail.com" target="_blank">edward.caissie@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>
<div dir="ltr">@Kirk
- That should
actually get onto
the Make site as a
reference /
resource / tool<span><font
color="#888888"><br>
</font></span></div>
<div><span><font
color="#888888"><br
clear="all">
<div>Edward
Caissie<br>
aka Cais.</div>
</font></span>
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<br>
<br>
<div>On Fri,
Feb 1, 2013 at
8:49 AM, Kirk
Wight <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kwight@kwight.ca" target="_blank">kwight@kwight.ca</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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type="cite">
<div>
Repeated,
completely
off-topic but
entirely
related,
Microsoft has
produced a
site at <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://modern.ie" target="_blank">http://modern.ie</a> that makes
testing IE as
simple as
possible
(providing
VHDs for Mac
and Linux as
well). Just in
case anyone
missed it :)
<div>
<div><br>
<br>
<div>On 1
February 2013
08:42, Edward
Caissie <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:edward.caissie@gmail.com"
target="_blank">edward.caissie@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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type="cite">
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div>As long
as the
reviewer is
using a
"modern"
browser in
their process
I am not
overly
concerned they
review the
theme in
multiple
browsers. For
the most part,
what we as
reviewers are
looking at
will be
apparent no
matter which
browser the
theme is being
viewed with;
and, also,
visual issues
with the theme
tend to fall
mostly to
aesthetics
which also
(for the most
part) are not
requirements
that need to
be met for
approval.<br>
<br>
</div>
Now, all that
being written,
if a reviewer
finds that in
a specific
browser
something
doesn't *look*
right (but
does *work*
correctly) it
is strongly
recommended
the reviewer
let the theme
author know so
they can
address that
issue if they
choose to.<span><font
color="#888888"><br>
</font></span></div>
<div><span><font
color="#888888"><br clear="all">
<div>Edward
Caissie<br>
aka Cais.</div>
</font></span>
<div>
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<br>
<br>
<div>On Fri,
Feb 1, 2013 at
3:08 AM, Paul
Appleyard <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:paul@spacecat.com" target="_blank">paul@spacecat.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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type="cite">
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text="#000000"
bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<div> On
1/02/2013 5:53
PM, Alex
Watson wrote:<br>
<blockquote
type="cite">
<div>
<div> I think
we should
recommend that
the theme
works in all
modern
browsers.
Microsoft have
just launched <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.modern.ie/" target="_blank">http://www.modern.ie</a> making
it a lot
easier to test
in IE. Being a
web developer
I have a
Browserstack
account, as
making sure my
work is cross
browser
compatible is
essential to
me. Besides,
nowadays its a
lot easier to
make sure
sites work in
IE, compared
to the days of
IE6!</div>
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<b><br>
</b></div>
<i>Agreed; but
once again it
comes down to
the reviewer
testing it in
all modern
browsers.</i>
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type="cite">
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Btw the
guy who built
the theme has
got back to me
and says that
the theme does
not support
IE9+. (odd, as
i notice he
does include
the
html5shiv.js,
so he must be
thinking about
IE at least.
Anyway I am
yet to
actually test
his site in
IE) As a theme
reviewer,
regardless of
the guidelines
I will be
testing in all
modern
browsers
anyway. If a
site totally
breaks in IE9+
(perhaps even
in IE8) then
I'd have
concerns.</div>
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</blockquote>
<br>
</div>
<i>So 'does
not support
IE9+' would
mean all IE
versions -
unless for
some weird
reason it
works in, say,
IE8 .. but I
guess what
he's saying is
that he
doesn't expect
it to work
properly in
IE. Out of
curiosity,
what are these
features that
IE can't
handle?</i><br>
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type="cite">
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>Alex</div>
<span><font
color="#888888">
</font></span></div>
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<span><font
color="#888888">
<br>
<i>Paul</i></font></span>
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type="cite">
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style="color:rgb(160,160,168)"><br>
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<div><span
style="color:rgb(160,160,168)">On
Friday, 1
February 2013
at 07:13, Paul
Appleyard
wrote:</span></div>
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<blockquote
type="cite">
<div> <span>
<div>
<div> Any new
browser-centric
requirements
would hit a
limitation on
what browser
the reviewer
uses, or can
use. So
there's a
built-in
restriction on
browser
support, in
that it must
support the
reviewer's
browser, which
is very likely
a recent
Chrome or
Firefox
iteration.<br>
<br>
I guess it
(theme-specified
browser
requirements)
would also
come in to
play as an
issue if the
theme author
is
implementing
some pretty
specific
Javascript or
HTML5 (some
advanced
canvas
manipulation
stuff for
example,
although
Excanvas helps
there too with
IE7/8) And
that's
bleeding in to
plugin
territory,
really.<br>
<br>
To sum up: If
it doesn't
break in a way
to fail on
existing
guidelines,
let it be.
Therefore, the
only amendment
to review
guidelines
would be that
testing be
done in an
up-to-date
browser; is
that
requirement in
there already?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
<div>On
1/02/2013 2:43
PM, Justin
Tadlock wrote:<br>
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<blockquote
type="cite">
<div>
<div> I'm
pretty much in
agreement with
Chip.<br>
<br>
My personal
rule in
regards to IE
is to support
the 2 latest
versions,
which are
currently 9
and 10.<br>
<br>
<div>On
1/31/2013 7:03
PM, Chip
Bennett wrote:<br>
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type="cite">
<div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">I
have no
problem with
it. A properly
developed and
designed Theme
should have
minimal IE
issues
anymore,
anyway.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I don't
"support" IE
with my Theme,
either. I
can't; I use
Linux, and
thus have no
way of even
*running* IE.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Doing
something that
actively
*excludes* IE
(or any other
browser) would
certainly not
be acceptable;
but developing
a
standards-compliant
Theme, and
opting not to
jump through
hoops for IE?
Meh; doesn't
bother me all
that much.</div>
</div>
<div><br>
<br>
<div>On Thu,
Jan 31, 2013
at 7:20 PM,
Edward Caissie
<span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:edward.caissie@gmail.com"
target="_blank">edward.caissie@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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type="cite">
<div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div>Flatly
not supporting
one of the
most commonly
found browsers
(not
necessarily
used but it
does come with
Windows) is
not a very
good idea; and
although we do
not have any
specific
guidelines in
place I think
if a Theme
Author is
going that
route
something that
significant
should be in
the Theme
description.<br>
<br>
</div>
As it is, you
would be
better served
by asking the
Theme author
to explain
that statement
before making
any
assumptions.
As noted, it
may only be
that they are
supporting
current
versions of IE
and simply
left off the
version number
in their
readme file.<br>
<br>
</div>
Myself, for
general
distribution
themes, I only
support
current (or
one version
back at the
most)
browsers. I
don't state
the actual
version only
making
reference to
the browser
being current.
Of course,
client work is
generally
different but
those "rules"
do not
necessarily
apply here.<span><font
color="#888888"><br>
</font></span></div>
<div><span><font
color="#888888"><br clear="all">
<div>Edward
Caissie<br>
aka Cais.</div>
</font></span>
<div>
<div> <br>
<br>
<div>On Thu,
Jan 31, 2013
at 7:12 PM,
John Heimkes
IV <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:john@heimk.es" target="_blank">john@heimk.es</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote
type="cite">
<div>
<div>
<div
style="word-wrap:break-word">That's
a great
question,
actually. I'd
like to know
what the
general
consensus is
on this
matter. Don't
worry about
being fussy.
I've been
doing
front-end for
many years.
So, I totally
get it.
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>My
personal
opinion is if
they're not
going to
support
certain
browsers (aka,
the browsers
most of us web
developers
have to
support on a
daily basis),
the author <i>should</i>
make it known
up front -
especially in
the CSS file
for good
documentation
purposes. Some
sort of
clarification
from the
author would
be nice in
this case.
Maybe they're
just not
supporting
older versions
of IE and it
looks fine in
IE10, and
maybe even
IE9.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Anyway, I
hope someone
else has a
better answer!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>John
Heimkes IV</div>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On Jan
31, 2013, at
6:03 PM,
Srikanth
Koneru <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:tskk79@gmail.com" target="_blank">tskk79@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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type="cite">
<div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">Since
IE has at
least 30%
browser share,
I think theme
has to support
it.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
<br>
<div>On Fri,
Feb 1, 2013 at
5:31 AM, Alex
Watson <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:alex@alexwatson.co.uk"
target="_blank">alex@alexwatson.co.uk</a>></span>
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<div>
<div>Hi
everyone!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So I'm
reviewing my
first theme,
and a few mins
into it I find
this in the
readme.txt:</div>
<div><span
style="font-family:monospace;white-space:pre-wrap"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:monospace;white-space:pre-wrap">*
NOT SUPPORTED
on Internet
Explore *</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:monospace;white-space:pre-wrap"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span
style="white-space:pre-wrap">Is
that okay? Are
themes allowed
to be built
and not work
in IE at all?
It's probably
the fussy web
developer side
of me coming
out here, as
everything I
do has to work
in IE8+ :)
I've not got
so far as to
have tested it
in IE yet, but
are we even
required to do
cross browser
testing? I
think we
should, but I
can't see that
in the review
guidelines
anywhere.</span></div>
<div><span
style="white-space:pre-wrap"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span
style="white-space:pre-wrap">Anyway,
please let me
know if I'm
just being too
fussy here!
(and sorry if
this has been
asked before
but I just
joined this
mailing list a
couple of days
ago)</span></div>
<div><span
style="white-space:pre-wrap"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span
style="white-space:pre-wrap">Many
thanks</span></div>
<span><font
color="#888888">
<div><span
style="white-space:pre-wrap"><br>
</span></div>
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style="white-space:pre-wrap">Alex</span></div>
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