[theme-reviewers] Newbie theme reviewer question - Browser compatability

Daniel Fenn danielx386 at gmail.com
Sat Feb 2 09:30:54 UTC 2013


Beside they would break before you even use it.

On 2/2/13, Paul Appleyard <paul at spacecat.com> wrote:
> Those things are quite hefty, I would not like to be hit by one :)
>
> Paul
>
> On 2/02/2013 1:45 AM, Edward Caissie wrote:
>> We'll just get MS to sponsor the team and let them provide the Surface
>> to all of us ... they seem to be throwing it everywhere else
>>
>> Edward Caissie
>> aka Cais.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Doug Stewart <zamoose at gmail.com
>> <mailto:zamoose at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     I think the answer is plain:
>>
>>     Sign up as a reviewer and the TRT sends you a Surface. *grin*
>>
>>
>>     On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Alex Watson <alex at alexwatson.co.uk
>>     <mailto:alex at alexwatson.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>         Great stuff - I'm really pleased to see this happening :)
>>
>>         Alex
>>
>>         On Friday, 1 February 2013 at 14:18, Edward Caissie wrote:
>>
>>>         Great! We'll see about getting it added to "Make" as well
>>>
>>>         Edward Caissie
>>>         aka Cais.
>>>
>>>
>>>         On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Kirk Wight <kwight at kwight.ca
>>>         <mailto:kwight at kwight.ca>> wrote:
>>>>         My creds don't allow me to edit Make, but I added it to the
>>>>         Codex here:
>>>>         http://codex.wordpress.org/Theme_Development#Testing_and_QA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         On 1 February 2013 08:54, Edward Caissie
>>>>         <edward.caissie at gmail.com <mailto:edward.caissie at gmail.com>>
>>>>         wrote:
>>>>>         @Kirk - That should actually get onto the Make site as a
>>>>>         reference / resource / tool
>>>>>
>>>>>         Edward Caissie
>>>>>         aka Cais.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Kirk Wight
>>>>>         <kwight at kwight.ca <mailto:kwight at kwight.ca>> wrote:
>>>>>>         Repeated, completely off-topic but entirely related,
>>>>>>         Microsoft has produced a site at http://modern.ie that
>>>>>>         makes testing IE as simple as possible (providing VHDs for
>>>>>>         Mac and Linux as well). Just in case anyone missed it :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         On 1 February 2013 08:42, Edward Caissie
>>>>>>         <edward.caissie at gmail.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:edward.caissie at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>         As long as the reviewer is using a "modern" browser in
>>>>>>>         their process I am not overly concerned they review the
>>>>>>>         theme in multiple browsers. For the most part, what we as
>>>>>>>         reviewers are looking at will be apparent no matter which
>>>>>>>         browser the theme is being viewed with; and, also, visual
>>>>>>>         issues with the theme tend to fall mostly to aesthetics
>>>>>>>         which also (for the most part) are not requirements that
>>>>>>>         need to be met for approval.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Now, all that being written, if a reviewer finds that in
>>>>>>>         a specific browser something doesn't *look* right (but
>>>>>>>         does *work* correctly) it is strongly recommended the
>>>>>>>         reviewer let the theme author know so they can address
>>>>>>>         that issue if they choose to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Edward Caissie
>>>>>>>         aka Cais.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:08 AM, Paul Appleyard
>>>>>>>         <paul at spacecat.com <mailto:paul at spacecat.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>         On 1/02/2013 5:53 PM, Alex Watson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>         I think we should recommend that the theme works in all
>>>>>>>>>         modern browsers. Microsoft have just launched
>>>>>>>>>         http://www.modern.ie <http://www.modern.ie/> making it
>>>>>>>>>         a lot easier to test in IE. Being a web developer I
>>>>>>>>>         have a Browserstack account, as making sure my work is
>>>>>>>>>         cross browser compatible is essential to me. Besides,
>>>>>>>>>         nowadays its a lot easier to make sure sites work in
>>>>>>>>>         IE, compared to the days of IE6!
>>>>>>>>         *
>>>>>>>>         *
>>>>>>>>         /Agreed; but once again it comes down to the reviewer
>>>>>>>>         testing it in all modern browsers./
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         Btw the guy who built the theme has got back to me and
>>>>>>>>>         says that the theme does not support IE9+. (odd, as i
>>>>>>>>>         notice he does include the html5shiv.js, so he must be
>>>>>>>>>         thinking about IE at least. Anyway I am yet to actually
>>>>>>>>>         test his site in IE) As a theme reviewer, regardless of
>>>>>>>>>         the guidelines I will be testing in all modern browsers
>>>>>>>>>         anyway. If a site totally breaks in IE9+ (perhaps even
>>>>>>>>>         in IE8) then I'd have concerns.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         /So 'does not support IE9+' would mean all IE versions -
>>>>>>>>         unless for some weird reason it works in, say, IE8 ..
>>>>>>>>         but I guess what he's saying is that he doesn't expect
>>>>>>>>         it to work properly in IE. Out of curiosity, what are
>>>>>>>>         these features that IE can't handle?/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         Alex
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         /Paul/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         On Friday, 1 February 2013 at 07:13, Paul Appleyard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>         Any new browser-centric requirements would hit a
>>>>>>>>>>         limitation on what browser the reviewer uses, or can
>>>>>>>>>>         use. So there's a built-in restriction on browser
>>>>>>>>>>         support, in that it must support the reviewer's
>>>>>>>>>>         browser, which is very likely a recent Chrome or
>>>>>>>>>>         Firefox iteration.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         I guess it (theme-specified browser requirements)
>>>>>>>>>>         would also come in to play as an issue if the theme
>>>>>>>>>>         author is implementing some pretty specific Javascript
>>>>>>>>>>         or HTML5 (some advanced canvas manipulation stuff for
>>>>>>>>>>         example, although Excanvas helps there too with IE7/8)
>>>>>>>>>>         And that's bleeding in to plugin territory, really.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         To sum up: If it doesn't break in a way to fail on
>>>>>>>>>>         existing guidelines, let it be. Therefore, the only
>>>>>>>>>>         amendment to review guidelines would be that testing
>>>>>>>>>>         be done in an up-to-date browser; is that requirement
>>>>>>>>>>         in there already?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         Paul
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         On 1/02/2013 2:43 PM, Justin Tadlock wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>         I'm pretty much in agreement with Chip.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         My personal rule in regards to IE is to support the 2
>>>>>>>>>>>         latest versions, which are currently 9 and 10.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         On 1/31/2013 7:03 PM, Chip Bennett wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>         I have no problem with it. A properly developed and
>>>>>>>>>>>>         designed Theme should have minimal IE issues
>>>>>>>>>>>>         anymore, anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         I don't "support" IE with my Theme, either. I can't;
>>>>>>>>>>>>         I use Linux, and thus have no way of even *running* IE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         Doing something that actively *excludes* IE (or any
>>>>>>>>>>>>         other browser) would certainly not be acceptable;
>>>>>>>>>>>>         but developing a standards-compliant Theme, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>         opting not to jump through hoops for IE? Meh;
>>>>>>>>>>>>         doesn't bother me all that much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Edward Caissie
>>>>>>>>>>>>         <edward.caissie at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>         <mailto:edward.caissie at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Flatly not supporting one of the most commonly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         found browsers (not necessarily used but it does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         come with Windows) is not a very good idea; and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         although we do not have any specific guidelines in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         place I think if a Theme Author is going that route
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         something that significant should be in the Theme
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         description.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         As it is, you would be better served by asking the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Theme author to explain that statement before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         making any assumptions. As noted, it may only be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         that they are supporting current versions of IE and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         simply left off the version number in their readme
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Myself, for general distribution themes, I only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         support current (or one version back at the most)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         browsers. I don't state the actual version only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         making reference to the browser being current. Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         course, client work is generally different but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         those "rules" do not necessarily apply here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Edward Caissie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         aka Cais.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:12 PM, John Heimkes IV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         <john at heimk.es <mailto:john at heimk.es>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         That's a great question, actually. I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         know what the general consensus is on this matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Don't worry about being fussy. I've been doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         front-end for many years. So, I totally get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         My personal opinion is if they're not going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         support certain browsers (aka, the browsers most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         of us web developers have to support on a daily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         basis), the author /should/ make it known up front
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         - especially in the CSS file for good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         documentation purposes. Some sort of clarification
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         from the author would be nice in this case. Maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         they're just not supporting older versions of IE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         and it looks fine in IE10, and maybe even IE9.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Anyway, I hope someone else has a better answer!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         John Heimkes IV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         On Jan 31, 2013, at 6:03 PM, Srikanth Koneru
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         <tskk79 at gmail.com <mailto:tskk79 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Since IE has at least 30% browser share, I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         theme has to support it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 5:31 AM, Alex Watson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         <alex at alexwatson.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         <mailto:alex at alexwatson.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Hi everyone!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         So I'm reviewing my first theme, and a few mins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         into it I find this in the readme.txt:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         * NOT SUPPORTED on Internet Explore *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Is that okay? Are themes allowed to be built and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         not work in IE at all? It's probably the fussy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         web developer side of me coming out here, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         everything I do has to work in IE8+ :) I've not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         got so far as to have tested it in IE yet, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         are we even required to do cross browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         testing? I think we should, but I can't see that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         in the review guidelines anywhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Anyway, please let me know if I'm just being too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         fussy here! (and sorry if this has been asked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         before but I just joined this mailing list a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         couple of days ago)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Many thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Alex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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