[theme-reviewers] Newbie theme reviewer question - Browser compatability
Daniel Fenn
danielx386 at gmail.com
Sat Feb 2 09:30:54 UTC 2013
Beside they would break before you even use it.
On 2/2/13, Paul Appleyard <paul at spacecat.com> wrote:
> Those things are quite hefty, I would not like to be hit by one :)
>
> Paul
>
> On 2/02/2013 1:45 AM, Edward Caissie wrote:
>> We'll just get MS to sponsor the team and let them provide the Surface
>> to all of us ... they seem to be throwing it everywhere else
>>
>> Edward Caissie
>> aka Cais.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Doug Stewart <zamoose at gmail.com
>> <mailto:zamoose at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I think the answer is plain:
>>
>> Sign up as a reviewer and the TRT sends you a Surface. *grin*
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Alex Watson <alex at alexwatson.co.uk
>> <mailto:alex at alexwatson.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> Great stuff - I'm really pleased to see this happening :)
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On Friday, 1 February 2013 at 14:18, Edward Caissie wrote:
>>
>>> Great! We'll see about getting it added to "Make" as well
>>>
>>> Edward Caissie
>>> aka Cais.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Kirk Wight <kwight at kwight.ca
>>> <mailto:kwight at kwight.ca>> wrote:
>>>> My creds don't allow me to edit Make, but I added it to the
>>>> Codex here:
>>>> http://codex.wordpress.org/Theme_Development#Testing_and_QA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1 February 2013 08:54, Edward Caissie
>>>> <edward.caissie at gmail.com <mailto:edward.caissie at gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> @Kirk - That should actually get onto the Make site as a
>>>>> reference / resource / tool
>>>>>
>>>>> Edward Caissie
>>>>> aka Cais.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Kirk Wight
>>>>> <kwight at kwight.ca <mailto:kwight at kwight.ca>> wrote:
>>>>>> Repeated, completely off-topic but entirely related,
>>>>>> Microsoft has produced a site at http://modern.ie that
>>>>>> makes testing IE as simple as possible (providing VHDs for
>>>>>> Mac and Linux as well). Just in case anyone missed it :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1 February 2013 08:42, Edward Caissie
>>>>>> <edward.caissie at gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:edward.caissie at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> As long as the reviewer is using a "modern" browser in
>>>>>>> their process I am not overly concerned they review the
>>>>>>> theme in multiple browsers. For the most part, what we as
>>>>>>> reviewers are looking at will be apparent no matter which
>>>>>>> browser the theme is being viewed with; and, also, visual
>>>>>>> issues with the theme tend to fall mostly to aesthetics
>>>>>>> which also (for the most part) are not requirements that
>>>>>>> need to be met for approval.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, all that being written, if a reviewer finds that in
>>>>>>> a specific browser something doesn't *look* right (but
>>>>>>> does *work* correctly) it is strongly recommended the
>>>>>>> reviewer let the theme author know so they can address
>>>>>>> that issue if they choose to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Edward Caissie
>>>>>>> aka Cais.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:08 AM, Paul Appleyard
>>>>>>> <paul at spacecat.com <mailto:paul at spacecat.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/02/2013 5:53 PM, Alex Watson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I think we should recommend that the theme works in all
>>>>>>>>> modern browsers. Microsoft have just launched
>>>>>>>>> http://www.modern.ie <http://www.modern.ie/> making it
>>>>>>>>> a lot easier to test in IE. Being a web developer I
>>>>>>>>> have a Browserstack account, as making sure my work is
>>>>>>>>> cross browser compatible is essential to me. Besides,
>>>>>>>>> nowadays its a lot easier to make sure sites work in
>>>>>>>>> IE, compared to the days of IE6!
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> /Agreed; but once again it comes down to the reviewer
>>>>>>>> testing it in all modern browsers./
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Btw the guy who built the theme has got back to me and
>>>>>>>>> says that the theme does not support IE9+. (odd, as i
>>>>>>>>> notice he does include the html5shiv.js, so he must be
>>>>>>>>> thinking about IE at least. Anyway I am yet to actually
>>>>>>>>> test his site in IE) As a theme reviewer, regardless of
>>>>>>>>> the guidelines I will be testing in all modern browsers
>>>>>>>>> anyway. If a site totally breaks in IE9+ (perhaps even
>>>>>>>>> in IE8) then I'd have concerns.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> /So 'does not support IE9+' would mean all IE versions -
>>>>>>>> unless for some weird reason it works in, say, IE8 ..
>>>>>>>> but I guess what he's saying is that he doesn't expect
>>>>>>>> it to work properly in IE. Out of curiosity, what are
>>>>>>>> these features that IE can't handle?/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> /Paul/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 1 February 2013 at 07:13, Paul Appleyard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Any new browser-centric requirements would hit a
>>>>>>>>>> limitation on what browser the reviewer uses, or can
>>>>>>>>>> use. So there's a built-in restriction on browser
>>>>>>>>>> support, in that it must support the reviewer's
>>>>>>>>>> browser, which is very likely a recent Chrome or
>>>>>>>>>> Firefox iteration.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I guess it (theme-specified browser requirements)
>>>>>>>>>> would also come in to play as an issue if the theme
>>>>>>>>>> author is implementing some pretty specific Javascript
>>>>>>>>>> or HTML5 (some advanced canvas manipulation stuff for
>>>>>>>>>> example, although Excanvas helps there too with IE7/8)
>>>>>>>>>> And that's bleeding in to plugin territory, really.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To sum up: If it doesn't break in a way to fail on
>>>>>>>>>> existing guidelines, let it be. Therefore, the only
>>>>>>>>>> amendment to review guidelines would be that testing
>>>>>>>>>> be done in an up-to-date browser; is that requirement
>>>>>>>>>> in there already?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/02/2013 2:43 PM, Justin Tadlock wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty much in agreement with Chip.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My personal rule in regards to IE is to support the 2
>>>>>>>>>>> latest versions, which are currently 9 and 10.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/31/2013 7:03 PM, Chip Bennett wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no problem with it. A properly developed and
>>>>>>>>>>>> designed Theme should have minimal IE issues
>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore, anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't "support" IE with my Theme, either. I can't;
>>>>>>>>>>>> I use Linux, and thus have no way of even *running* IE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Doing something that actively *excludes* IE (or any
>>>>>>>>>>>> other browser) would certainly not be acceptable;
>>>>>>>>>>>> but developing a standards-compliant Theme, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> opting not to jump through hoops for IE? Meh;
>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't bother me all that much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Edward Caissie
>>>>>>>>>>>> <edward.caissie at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:edward.caissie at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flatly not supporting one of the most commonly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> found browsers (not necessarily used but it does
>>>>>>>>>>>>> come with Windows) is not a very good idea; and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> although we do not have any specific guidelines in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> place I think if a Theme Author is going that route
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something that significant should be in the Theme
>>>>>>>>>>>>> description.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it is, you would be better served by asking the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Theme author to explain that statement before
>>>>>>>>>>>>> making any assumptions. As noted, it may only be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they are supporting current versions of IE and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> simply left off the version number in their readme
>>>>>>>>>>>>> file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Myself, for general distribution themes, I only
>>>>>>>>>>>>> support current (or one version back at the most)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> browsers. I don't state the actual version only
>>>>>>>>>>>>> making reference to the browser being current. Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, client work is generally different but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> those "rules" do not necessarily apply here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Edward Caissie
>>>>>>>>>>>>> aka Cais.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:12 PM, John Heimkes IV
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <john at heimk.es <mailto:john at heimk.es>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a great question, actually. I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know what the general consensus is on this matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't worry about being fussy. I've been doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> front-end for many years. So, I totally get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My personal opinion is if they're not going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support certain browsers (aka, the browsers most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us web developers have to support on a daily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basis), the author /should/ make it known up front
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - especially in the CSS file for good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documentation purposes. Some sort of clarification
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the author would be nice in this case. Maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're just not supporting older versions of IE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it looks fine in IE10, and maybe even IE9.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, I hope someone else has a better answer!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John Heimkes IV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2013, at 6:03 PM, Srikanth Koneru
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <tskk79 at gmail.com <mailto:tskk79 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since IE has at least 30% browser share, I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theme has to support it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 5:31 AM, Alex Watson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alex at alexwatson.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:alex at alexwatson.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I'm reviewing my first theme, and a few mins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into it I find this in the readme.txt:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * NOT SUPPORTED on Internet Explore *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is that okay? Are themes allowed to be built and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not work in IE at all? It's probably the fussy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> web developer side of me coming out here, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything I do has to work in IE8+ :) I've not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got so far as to have tested it in IE yet, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are we even required to do cross browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> testing? I think we should, but I can't see that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the review guidelines anywhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, please let me know if I'm just being too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fussy here! (and sorry if this has been asked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before but I just joined this mailing list a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of days ago)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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