[theme-reviewers] Tags and description.

Emil Uzelac emil at uzelac.me
Fri Aug 23 17:55:03 UTC 2013 

That's simple. If you have WooCommerce only, we're promoting one plugin.
Adding e-commerce will cover all e-commerce
plugins<http://wordpress.org/plugins/tags/ecommerce>
.


On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:

> Can I ask why declaring support for WooCommerce (or any other commercial
> Plugin, such as any other commercial e-commerce Plugin, or Gravity Forms,
> or whatever) would not be acceptable? I think if the following are true,
> that should be sufficient:
>
> 1) The Plugin for which support is declared is GPL/compatible
> 2) Plugin support is declared in an approved/standardized manner, such as
> *add_theme_support( 'plugin-name' )*
> 3) The Plugin keyword conforms to an approved convention, such as "*
> plugin-support-{plugin}*" (note: "bbpress" and "buddypress" could be
> converted to "plugin-support-bbpress" and "plugin-support-buddypress")
>
> I see this as a win-win for developers and for end users. Simply using a
> "e-commerce" tag probably isn't all that helpful, because more than likely,
> users will already have an e-commerce Plugin solution in mind, and will be
> looking for Themes that integrate support for their chosen Plugin,
> explicitly.
>
> The biggest issue here is scope/implementation on WPORG's end. But perhaps
> some of this could be automated, rather than all hard-coded in the WPORG
> franken-code.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>
>> @Ulrich e-commerce is fine, WooCommerce is not. None of us here have
>> final saying in any of this and all can speak there minds. All I said was
>> from
>> WPORG point of view, not mine :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Ulrich Pogson <grapplerulrich at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> @Emil Who makes the final decision? So is this discussion has no point
>>> because we cannot influence anything?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23 August 2013 09:00, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>> On Aug 23, 2013 1:45 AM, "Srikanth Koneru" <tskk79 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> +1 to Emil, just don't put "fluid grid system" in the definition of
>>>>> responsive.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Absolute no to WooCommerce or any other commercial site. This is the
>>>>>> policy that was laid before us. I for one will keep that. Responsive and
>>>>>> Accessibility are in, let us pass that. No surveys, we will not carry this
>>>>>> more than we already did. I dislike long discussion over nothing. Community
>>>>>> was involved, provided with the chance to talk, that will wrap this up. And
>>>>>> note that it is not up to us, we don't hold the final word B-)
>>>>>>  On Aug 23, 2013 1:23 AM, "myazalea" <myazalea at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Big no to a woocommerce tag since its commercial and would be
>>>>>>> favoring it over other plugins.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes to some sort of ecommerce or shop tag
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Skickat från min Samsung Mobil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -------- Originalmeddelande --------
>>>>>>> Från: Ulrich Pogson <grapplerulrich at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Datum: 23-08-2013 8:17 (GMT+01:00)
>>>>>>> Till: "Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers." <
>>>>>>> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org>
>>>>>>> Rubrik: Re: [theme-reviewers] Tags and description.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am more for just "Responsive" because if I had to get examples
>>>>>>> this is what comes to mind first.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Responsive: TwentyTwelve
>>>>>>> Mobile-Optimized: Jetpack Mobile Theme
>>>>>>> Mobile: WPTouch <http://wordpress.org/plugins/wptouch/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The solutions for "Mobile-Optimized" and "Mobile" are plugins.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As we have "buddypress" tag there should be a place "bbpress" and
>>>>>>> even "woocommerce" also.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think a survey would not be bad so that we can track the responses
>>>>>>> properly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have created something. Would love some feedback.
>>>>>>> http://grapplerulrich.polldaddy.com/s/theme-tag-servey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23 August 2013 06:37, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Understood, I wasn't aware. And yes for above mobile. Accessibility
>>>>>>>> is on the list too. I think.
>>>>>>>>  On Aug 22, 2013 11:35 PM, "Josh Pollock" <jpollock412 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> @justin agreed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We ned to think about more than just mobile/responsive/etc tags.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What about tags based one end purpose, how do we feel about
>>>>>>>>> reviewing those? For instance theme forest has these top level categories
>>>>>>>>> for their WordPress themes: Blog/ magazine, creative, corporate, retail,
>>>>>>>>> technology, nonprofit, entertainment, miscellaneous, mobile, buddypress,
>>>>>>>>> and ecommerce. Could we do tags like that? What about a CMS tag?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> @emil - There is no guarantee that there will be new tags. This
>>>>>>>>> process is very preliminary. But if a useful set of tags can be generated
>>>>>>>>> by the THX38 project, then a new search filtering system based on those
>>>>>>>>> tags will have a good shot at being implemented.
>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to take some initiative to bring the theme review
>>>>>>>>> team's thoughts on tags back to the THX38 team because I'm the only theme
>>>>>>>>> reviewer that was present for the first THX38 meeting and a lot of ideas
>>>>>>>>> for new tags were thrown around, which made me worry about how we were
>>>>>>>>> going to review them. Basically, I'd rather say, "this is what the theme
>>>>>>>>> review team discussion resulted in", then say, "as one of the theme
>>>>>>>>> reviewers this is what I think."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Justin Tadlock <
>>>>>>>>> justin at justintadlock.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  I agree with Chip that one tag would be better for end users.
>>>>>>>>>> However, I also think we need to propose multiple tags to whoever is in
>>>>>>>>>> charge of this.  So, having a list of potential tags with their definitions
>>>>>>>>>> is what we should put together.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On that note, I've never had a user ask for an "adaptive" theme.
>>>>>>>>>> It's mostly "responsive."  But, "mobile-ready" and "mobile-first" are terms
>>>>>>>>>> that are also thrown around a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also, I dislike the phrase "fluid grid system" when referring to
>>>>>>>>>> responsive design.  Maybe something along the lines of "a fluid layout that
>>>>>>>>>> responds to screen size."  Anyway, I'm just nit-picking words here.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/22/2013 10:52 PM, Josh Pollock wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> @chip- I think there is a good chance of a lot of new tags being
>>>>>>>>>> added. Everyone agrees we need to be able to filter search results based on
>>>>>>>>>> tags and the current set of tags doesn't do it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  What does it hurt to create a list of tag and definitions that
>>>>>>>>>> the theme review team thinks would be useful and we could review fairly?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  I think it would be better if we brainstormed a list without
>>>>>>>>>> any premptive doomsaying, so I can take it back to the THX38 meeting as the
>>>>>>>>>> theme review teams ideas on new tags, instead of just bringing own
>>>>>>>>>> ideas.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 22, 2013, Chip Bennett wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My main problem with that is that it's still adding three tags
>>>>>>>>>>> where currently none exist. I just don't see that flying with the
>>>>>>>>>>> powers-that-be. I think our best bet of getting *any* tags added is to keep
>>>>>>>>>>> to a single tag.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  IMHO, the tag list could probably stand for a bit of an
>>>>>>>>>>> overhaul - but that would be a bigger discussion than this one.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Josh Pollock <
>>>>>>>>>>> jpollock412 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How about this:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Responsive: "A theme with a layout that employs a fluid grid
>>>>>>>>>>> system that changes in response to screen size."
>>>>>>>>>>> Mobile-Optimized: "A theme that adjusts its layout, reduces the
>>>>>>>>>>> sizes of its media elements and otherwise improves the page load time and
>>>>>>>>>>> user experience for mobile."
>>>>>>>>>>> Mobile: "A Theme that is designed to be used only on mobile
>>>>>>>>>>> devices."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Notice I left adaptive off of the list, and I'm open to
>>>>>>>>>>> leaving mobile off too if its not needed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> mobile-responsive and that includes both?
>>>>>>>>>>>  On Aug 22, 2013 5:46 PM, "Emil Uzelac" <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever is better. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2013 5:44 PM, "Chip Bennett" <chip at chipbennett.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Remember: those tags are, primarily, for *users* rather than for
>>>>>>>>>>> developers. To the end user: what's the tangible difference between
>>>>>>>>>>> "responsive" and "adaptive"? In this case, "end user" could be both the
>>>>>>>>>>> site owner (the one who chooses and installs the Theme) or the site visitor
>>>>>>>>>>> (who would view the website via devices with various screen sizes).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Do a developer, I agree 100% that the two terms have tangible,
>>>>>>>>>>> meaningful differences.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  I'm just struggling to see how a user would see any difference
>>>>>>>>>>> whatsoever. In both cases, the Theme is designed to work on devices with
>>>>>>>>>>> variously small screen sizes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Josh Pollock <
>>>>>>>>>>> jpollock412 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I agree and disagree with Chip. I agree we need to find the
>>>>>>>>>>> definition that is most useful to end users and two tags with the same
>>>>>>>>>>> definition is probably confusing. The problem is some end users are more
>>>>>>>>>>> sophisticated than others. Some know what responsive means, some don't.
>>>>>>>>>>> That said, we shouldn't equate the two, because they are different. GIve me
>>>>>>>>>>> a little time and I will propose some new definitions.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  @Ulrich We can't just add tags to the guidelines. They need to
>>>>>>>>>>> be supported by core. As part of the THX38 project this will most likely
>>>>>>>>>>> happening. I'm hoping to go to the next THX38 meeting with a list of tags
>>>>>>>>>>> that we, as theme reviewers, want added and feel like we can review
>>>>>>>>>>> properly.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Chip Bennett <
>>>>>>>>>>> chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm one of those people who doesn't know the difference between
>>>>>>>>>>> "responsive" and "adaptive". Well, until just now, because I
>>>>>>>>>>> googled it<http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/web-designer/what-is-the-difference-between-responsive-vs-adaptive-web-design/>.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  The TL;DR of that article:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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