[theme-reviewers] Tags and description.

Justin Tadlock justin at justintadlock.com
Fri Aug 23 16:35:07 UTC 2013

I actually like those top-level categories from ThemeForest.  Users are 
probably more likely to look for an "e-commerce" theme rather than a 
"blue" theme.  Or, better yet, they could search for a "blue" +  
"e-commerce" theme, which just instantly makes searching themes more useful.

Also, I think we should propose dropping the "threaded-comments" tag.  
All themes are required to support this now, so this offers no real benefit.

On 8/22/2013 11:34 PM, Josh Pollock wrote:
> @justin agreed.
> We ned to think about more than just mobile/responsive/etc tags.
> What about tags based one end purpose, how do we feel about reviewing 
> those? For instance theme forest has these top level categories for 
> their WordPress themes: Blog/ magazine, creative, corporate, retail, 
> technology, nonprofit, entertainment, miscellaneous, mobile, 
> buddypress, and ecommerce. Could we do tags like that? What about a 
> CMS tag?
> @emil - There is no guarantee that there will be new tags. This 
> process is very preliminary. But if a useful set of tags can be 
> generated by the THX38 project, then a new search filtering system 
> based on those tags will have a good shot at being implemented.
> I'm trying to take some initiative to bring the theme review team's 
> thoughts on tags back to the THX38 team because I'm the only theme 
> reviewer that was present for the first THX38 meeting and a lot of 
> ideas for new tags were thrown around, which made me worry about how 
> we were going to review them. Basically, I'd rather say, "this is what 
> the theme review team discussion resulted in", then say, "as one of 
> the theme reviewers this is what I think."
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Justin Tadlock 
> <justin at justintadlock.com <mailto:justin at justintadlock.com>> wrote:
>     I agree with Chip that one tag would be better for end users. 
>     However, I also think we need to propose multiple tags to whoever
>     is in charge of this.  So, having a list of potential tags with
>     their definitions is what we should put together.
>     On that note, I've never had a user ask for an "adaptive" theme. 
>     It's mostly "responsive."  But, "mobile-ready" and "mobile-first"
>     are terms that are also thrown around a bit.
>     Also, I dislike the phrase "fluid grid system" when referring to
>     responsive design.  Maybe something along the lines of "a fluid
>     layout that responds to screen size." Anyway, I'm just nit-picking
>     words here.
>     On 8/22/2013 10:52 PM, Josh Pollock wrote:
>>     @chip- I think there is a good chance of a lot of new tags being
>>     added. Everyone agrees we need to be able to filter search
>>     results based on tags and the current set of tags doesn't do it.
>>     What does it hurt to create a list of tag and definitions that
>>     the theme review team thinks would be useful and we could review
>>     fairly?
>>     I think it would be better if we brainstormed a list without any
>>     premptive doomsaying, so I can take it back to the THX38 meeting
>>     as the theme review teams ideas on new tags, instead of just
>>     bringing own ideas.
>>     On Thursday, August 22, 2013, Chip Bennett wrote:
>>         My main problem with that is that it's still adding three
>>         tags where currently none exist. I just don't see that flying
>>         with the powers-that-be. I think our best bet of getting
>>         *any* tags added is to keep to a single tag.
>>         IMHO, the tag list could probably stand for a bit of an
>>         overhaul - but that would be a bigger discussion than this one.
>>         On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Josh Pollock
>>         <jpollock412 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>             How about this:
>>             Responsive: "A theme with a layout that employs a fluid
>>             grid system that changes in response to screen size."
>>             Mobile-Optimized: "A theme that adjusts its layout,
>>             reduces the sizes of its media elements and otherwise
>>             improves the page load time and user experience for mobile."
>>             Mobile: "A Theme that is designed to be used only on
>>             mobile devices."
>>             Notice I left adaptive off of the list, and I'm open to
>>             leaving mobile off too if its not needed.
>>             On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Emil Uzelac
>>             <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>                 mobile-responsive and that includes both?
>>                 On Aug 22, 2013 5:46 PM, "Emil Uzelac"
>>                 <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>                     Whatever is better. :-)
>>                     On Aug 22, 2013 5:44 PM, "Chip Bennett"
>>                     <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>>                         Remember: those tags are, primarily, for
>>                         *users* rather than for developers. To the
>>                         end user: what's the tangible difference
>>                         between "responsive" and "adaptive"? In this
>>                         case, "end user" could be both the site owner
>>                         (the one who chooses and installs the Theme)
>>                         or the site visitor (who would view the
>>                         website via devices with various screen sizes).
>>                         Do a developer, I agree 100% that the two
>>                         terms have tangible, meaningful differences.
>>                         I'm just struggling to see how a user would
>>                         see any difference whatsoever. In both cases,
>>                         the Theme is designed to work on devices with
>>                         variously small screen sizes.
>>                         On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Josh Pollock
>>                         <jpollock412 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>                             I agree and disagree with Chip. I agree
>>                             we need to find the definition that is
>>                             most useful to end users and two tags
>>                             with the same definition is probably
>>                             confusing. The problem is some end users
>>                             are more sophisticated than others. Some
>>                             know what responsive means, some don't.
>>                             That said, we shouldn't equate the two,
>>                             because they are different. GIve me a
>>                             little time and I will propose some new
>>                             definitions.
>>                             @Ulrich We can't just add tags to the
>>                             guidelines. They need to be supported by
>>                             core. As part of the THX38 project this
>>                             will most likely happening. I'm hoping to
>>                             go to the next THX38 meeting with a list
>>                             of tags that we, as theme reviewers, want
>>                             added and feel like we can review properly.
>>                             On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Chip
>>                             Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>>                                 I'm one of those people who doesn't
>>                                 know the difference between
>>                                 "responsive" and "adaptive". Well,
>>                                 until just now, because I googled it
>>                                 <http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/web-designer/what-is-the-difference-between-responsive-vs-adaptive-web-design/>.
>>                                 The TL;DR of that article:
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