[theme-reviewers] Tags and description.

Fri Aug 23 07:16:52 UTC 2013

@Emil Who makes the final decision? So is this discussion has no point
because we cannot influence anything?

On 23 August 2013 09:00, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:

> :-)
> On Aug 23, 2013 1:45 AM, "Srikanth Koneru" <tskk79 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1 to Emil, just don't put "fluid grid system" in the definition of
>> responsive.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>
>>> Absolute no to WooCommerce or any other commercial site. This is the
>>> policy that was laid before us. I for one will keep that. Responsive and
>>> Accessibility are in, let us pass that. No surveys, we will not carry this
>>> more than we already did. I dislike long discussion over nothing. Community
>>> was involved, provided with the chance to talk, that will wrap this up. And
>>> note that it is not up to us, we don't hold the final word B-)
>>>  On Aug 23, 2013 1:23 AM, "myazalea" <myazalea at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Big no to a woocommerce tag since its commercial and would be favoring
>>>> it over other plugins.
>>>>
>>>> yes to some sort of ecommerce or shop tag
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Skickat från min Samsung Mobil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Originalmeddelande --------
>>>> Från: Ulrich Pogson <grapplerulrich at gmail.com>
>>>> Datum: 23-08-2013 8:17 (GMT+01:00)
>>>> Till: "Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers." <
>>>> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org>
>>>> Rubrik: Re: [theme-reviewers] Tags and description.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am more for just "Responsive" because if I had to get examples this
>>>> is what comes to mind first.
>>>>
>>>> Responsive: TwentyTwelve
>>>> Mobile-Optimized: Jetpack Mobile Theme
>>>> Mobile: WPTouch <http://wordpress.org/plugins/wptouch/>
>>>>
>>>> The solutions for "Mobile-Optimized" and "Mobile" are plugins.
>>>>
>>>> As we have "buddypress" tag there should be a place "bbpress" and even
>>>> "woocommerce" also.
>>>>
>>>> I think a survey would not be bad so that we can track the responses
>>>> properly.
>>>>
>>>> I have created something. Would love some feedback.
>>>> http://grapplerulrich.polldaddy.com/s/theme-tag-servey
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 23 August 2013 06:37, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Understood, I wasn't aware. And yes for above mobile. Accessibility is
>>>>> on the list too. I think.
>>>>>  On Aug 22, 2013 11:35 PM, "Josh Pollock" <jpollock412 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> @justin agreed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We ned to think about more than just mobile/responsive/etc tags.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about tags based one end purpose, how do we feel about reviewing
>>>>>> those? For instance theme forest has these top level categories for their
>>>>>> WordPress themes: Blog/ magazine, creative, corporate, retail, technology,
>>>>>> nonprofit, entertainment, miscellaneous, mobile, buddypress, and ecommerce.
>>>>>> Could we do tags like that? What about a CMS tag?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @emil - There is no guarantee that there will be new tags. This
>>>>>> process is very preliminary. But if a useful set of tags can be generated
>>>>>> by the THX38 project, then a new search filtering system based on those
>>>>>> tags will have a good shot at being implemented.
>>>>>> I'm trying to take some initiative to bring the theme review team's
>>>>>> thoughts on tags back to the THX38 team because I'm the only theme reviewer
>>>>>> that was present for the first THX38 meeting and a lot of ideas for new
>>>>>> tags were thrown around, which made me worry about how we were going to
>>>>>> review them. Basically, I'd rather say, "this is what the theme review team
>>>>>> discussion resulted in", then say, "as one of the theme reviewers this is
>>>>>> what I think."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Justin Tadlock <
>>>>>> justin at justintadlock.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I agree with Chip that one tag would be better for end users.
>>>>>>> However, I also think we need to propose multiple tags to whoever is in
>>>>>>> charge of this.  So, having a list of potential tags with their definitions
>>>>>>> is what we should put together.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On that note, I've never had a user ask for an "adaptive" theme.
>>>>>>> It's mostly "responsive."  But, "mobile-ready" and "mobile-first" are terms
>>>>>>> that are also thrown around a bit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, I dislike the phrase "fluid grid system" when referring to
>>>>>>> responsive design.  Maybe something along the lines of "a fluid layout that
>>>>>>> responds to screen size."  Anyway, I'm just nit-picking words here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/22/2013 10:52 PM, Josh Pollock wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @chip- I think there is a good chance of a lot of new tags being
>>>>>>> added. Everyone agrees we need to be able to filter search results based on
>>>>>>> tags and the current set of tags doesn't do it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  What does it hurt to create a list of tag and definitions that the
>>>>>>> theme review team thinks would be useful and we could review fairly?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I think it would be better if we brainstormed a list without any
>>>>>>> premptive doomsaying, so I can take it back to the THX38 meeting as the
>>>>>>> theme review teams ideas on new tags, instead of just bringing own
>>>>>>> ideas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 22, 2013, Chip Bennett wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My main problem with that is that it's still adding three tags
>>>>>>>> where currently none exist. I just don't see that flying with the
>>>>>>>> powers-that-be. I think our best bet of getting *any* tags added is to keep
>>>>>>>> to a single tag.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  IMHO, the tag list could probably stand for a bit of an overhaul
>>>>>>>> - but that would be a bigger discussion than this one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Josh Pollock <
>>>>>>>> jpollock412 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How about this:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Responsive: "A theme with a layout that employs a fluid grid
>>>>>>>> system that changes in response to screen size."
>>>>>>>> Mobile-Optimized: "A theme that adjusts its layout, reduces the
>>>>>>>> sizes of its media elements and otherwise improves the page load time and
>>>>>>>> user experience for mobile."
>>>>>>>> Mobile: "A Theme that is designed to be used only on mobile
>>>>>>>> devices."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Notice I left adaptive off of the list, and I'm open to leaving
>>>>>>>> mobile off too if its not needed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> mobile-responsive and that includes both?
>>>>>>>>  On Aug 22, 2013 5:46 PM, "Emil Uzelac" <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Whatever is better. :-)
>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2013 5:44 PM, "Chip Bennett" <chip at chipbennett.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Remember: those tags are, primarily, for *users* rather than for
>>>>>>>> developers. To the end user: what's the tangible difference between
>>>>>>>> "responsive" and "adaptive"? In this case, "end user" could be both the
>>>>>>>> site owner (the one who chooses and installs the Theme) or the site visitor
>>>>>>>> (who would view the website via devices with various screen sizes).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Do a developer, I agree 100% that the two terms have tangible,
>>>>>>>> meaningful differences.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  I'm just struggling to see how a user would see any difference
>>>>>>>> whatsoever. In both cases, the Theme is designed to work on devices with
>>>>>>>> variously small screen sizes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Josh Pollock <
>>>>>>>> jpollock412 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree and disagree with Chip. I agree we need to find the
>>>>>>>> definition that is most useful to end users and two tags with the same
>>>>>>>> definition is probably confusing. The problem is some end users are more
>>>>>>>> sophisticated than others. Some know what responsive means, some don't.
>>>>>>>> That said, we shouldn't equate the two, because they are different. GIve me
>>>>>>>> a little time and I will propose some new definitions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  @Ulrich We can't just add tags to the guidelines. They need to be
>>>>>>>> supported by core. As part of the THX38 project this will most likely
>>>>>>>> happening. I'm hoping to go to the next THX38 meeting with a list of tags
>>>>>>>> that we, as theme reviewers, want added and feel like we can review
>>>>>>>> properly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm one of those people who doesn't know the difference between
>>>>>>>> "responsive" and "adaptive". Well, until just now, because I
>>>>>>>> googled it<http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/web-designer/what-is-the-difference-between-responsive-vs-adaptive-web-design/>.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  The TL;DR of that article:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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