[theme-reviewers] Tags and description.

Fri Aug 23 16:01:19 UTC 2013

@Chip I have prepared a documentation for the current tags. In what format
should I send it to you so you can add it to the guidelines?

On 23 August 2013 09:16, Ulrich Pogson <grapplerulrich at gmail.com> wrote:

> @Emil Who makes the final decision? So is this discussion has no point
> because we cannot influence anything?
>
>
> On 23 August 2013 09:00, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>
>> :-)
>> On Aug 23, 2013 1:45 AM, "Srikanth Koneru" <tskk79 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 to Emil, just don't put "fluid grid system" in the definition of
>>> responsive.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Absolute no to WooCommerce or any other commercial site. This is the
>>>> policy that was laid before us. I for one will keep that. Responsive and
>>>> Accessibility are in, let us pass that. No surveys, we will not carry this
>>>> more than we already did. I dislike long discussion over nothing. Community
>>>> was involved, provided with the chance to talk, that will wrap this up. And
>>>> note that it is not up to us, we don't hold the final word B-)
>>>>  On Aug 23, 2013 1:23 AM, "myazalea" <myazalea at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Big no to a woocommerce tag since its commercial and would be favoring
>>>>> it over other plugins.
>>>>>
>>>>> yes to some sort of ecommerce or shop tag
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Skickat från min Samsung Mobil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -------- Originalmeddelande --------
>>>>> Från: Ulrich Pogson <grapplerulrich at gmail.com>
>>>>> Datum: 23-08-2013 8:17 (GMT+01:00)
>>>>> Till: "Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers." <
>>>>> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org>
>>>>> Rubrik: Re: [theme-reviewers] Tags and description.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am more for just "Responsive" because if I had to get examples this
>>>>> is what comes to mind first.
>>>>>
>>>>> Responsive: TwentyTwelve
>>>>> Mobile-Optimized: Jetpack Mobile Theme
>>>>> Mobile: WPTouch <http://wordpress.org/plugins/wptouch/>
>>>>>
>>>>> The solutions for "Mobile-Optimized" and "Mobile" are plugins.
>>>>>
>>>>> As we have "buddypress" tag there should be a place "bbpress" and even
>>>>> "woocommerce" also.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think a survey would not be bad so that we can track the responses
>>>>> properly.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have created something. Would love some feedback.
>>>>> http://grapplerulrich.polldaddy.com/s/theme-tag-servey
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23 August 2013 06:37, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Understood, I wasn't aware. And yes for above mobile. Accessibility
>>>>>> is on the list too. I think.
>>>>>>  On Aug 22, 2013 11:35 PM, "Josh Pollock" <jpollock412 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @justin agreed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We ned to think about more than just mobile/responsive/etc tags.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What about tags based one end purpose, how do we feel about
>>>>>>> reviewing those? For instance theme forest has these top level categories
>>>>>>> for their WordPress themes: Blog/ magazine, creative, corporate, retail,
>>>>>>> technology, nonprofit, entertainment, miscellaneous, mobile, buddypress,
>>>>>>> and ecommerce. Could we do tags like that? What about a CMS tag?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @emil - There is no guarantee that there will be new tags. This
>>>>>>> process is very preliminary. But if a useful set of tags can be generated
>>>>>>> by the THX38 project, then a new search filtering system based on those
>>>>>>> tags will have a good shot at being implemented.
>>>>>>> I'm trying to take some initiative to bring the theme review team's
>>>>>>> thoughts on tags back to the THX38 team because I'm the only theme reviewer
>>>>>>> that was present for the first THX38 meeting and a lot of ideas for new
>>>>>>> tags were thrown around, which made me worry about how we were going to
>>>>>>> review them. Basically, I'd rather say, "this is what the theme review team
>>>>>>> discussion resulted in", then say, "as one of the theme reviewers this is
>>>>>>> what I think."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Justin Tadlock <
>>>>>>> justin at justintadlock.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  I agree with Chip that one tag would be better for end users.
>>>>>>>> However, I also think we need to propose multiple tags to whoever is in
>>>>>>>> charge of this.  So, having a list of potential tags with their definitions
>>>>>>>> is what we should put together.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On that note, I've never had a user ask for an "adaptive" theme.
>>>>>>>> It's mostly "responsive."  But, "mobile-ready" and "mobile-first" are terms
>>>>>>>> that are also thrown around a bit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, I dislike the phrase "fluid grid system" when referring to
>>>>>>>> responsive design.  Maybe something along the lines of "a fluid layout that
>>>>>>>> responds to screen size."  Anyway, I'm just nit-picking words here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/22/2013 10:52 PM, Josh Pollock wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @chip- I think there is a good chance of a lot of new tags being
>>>>>>>> added. Everyone agrees we need to be able to filter search results based on
>>>>>>>> tags and the current set of tags doesn't do it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  What does it hurt to create a list of tag and definitions that
>>>>>>>> the theme review team thinks would be useful and we could review fairly?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  I think it would be better if we brainstormed a list without any
>>>>>>>> premptive doomsaying, so I can take it back to the THX38 meeting as the
>>>>>>>> theme review teams ideas on new tags, instead of just bringing own
>>>>>>>> ideas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 22, 2013, Chip Bennett wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My main problem with that is that it's still adding three tags
>>>>>>>>> where currently none exist. I just don't see that flying with the
>>>>>>>>> powers-that-be. I think our best bet of getting *any* tags added is to keep
>>>>>>>>> to a single tag.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  IMHO, the tag list could probably stand for a bit of an overhaul
>>>>>>>>> - but that would be a bigger discussion than this one.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Josh Pollock <
>>>>>>>>> jpollock412 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How about this:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Responsive: "A theme with a layout that employs a fluid grid
>>>>>>>>> system that changes in response to screen size."
>>>>>>>>> Mobile-Optimized: "A theme that adjusts its layout, reduces the
>>>>>>>>> sizes of its media elements and otherwise improves the page load time and
>>>>>>>>> user experience for mobile."
>>>>>>>>> Mobile: "A Theme that is designed to be used only on mobile
>>>>>>>>> devices."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Notice I left adaptive off of the list, and I'm open to leaving
>>>>>>>>> mobile off too if its not needed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> mobile-responsive and that includes both?
>>>>>>>>>  On Aug 22, 2013 5:46 PM, "Emil Uzelac" <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Whatever is better. :-)
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2013 5:44 PM, "Chip Bennett" <chip at chipbennett.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Remember: those tags are, primarily, for *users* rather than for
>>>>>>>>> developers. To the end user: what's the tangible difference between
>>>>>>>>> "responsive" and "adaptive"? In this case, "end user" could be both the
>>>>>>>>> site owner (the one who chooses and installs the Theme) or the site visitor
>>>>>>>>> (who would view the website via devices with various screen sizes).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Do a developer, I agree 100% that the two terms have tangible,
>>>>>>>>> meaningful differences.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  I'm just struggling to see how a user would see any difference
>>>>>>>>> whatsoever. In both cases, the Theme is designed to work on devices with
>>>>>>>>> variously small screen sizes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Josh Pollock <
>>>>>>>>> jpollock412 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I agree and disagree with Chip. I agree we need to find the
>>>>>>>>> definition that is most useful to end users and two tags with the same
>>>>>>>>> definition is probably confusing. The problem is some end users are more
>>>>>>>>> sophisticated than others. Some know what responsive means, some don't.
>>>>>>>>> That said, we shouldn't equate the two, because they are different. GIve me
>>>>>>>>> a little time and I will propose some new definitions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  @Ulrich We can't just add tags to the guidelines. They need to
>>>>>>>>> be supported by core. As part of the THX38 project this will most likely
>>>>>>>>> happening. I'm hoping to go to the next THX38 meeting with a list of tags
>>>>>>>>> that we, as theme reviewers, want added and feel like we can review
>>>>>>>>> properly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Chip Bennett <
>>>>>>>>> chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm one of those people who doesn't know the difference between
>>>>>>>>> "responsive" and "adaptive". Well, until just now, because I
>>>>>>>>> googled it<http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/web-designer/what-is-the-difference-between-responsive-vs-adaptive-web-design/>.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  The TL;DR of that article:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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