[theme-reviewers] Tags and description.

Fri Aug 23 07:00:28 UTC 2013

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On Aug 23, 2013 1:45 AM, "Srikanth Koneru" <tskk79 at gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 to Emil, just don't put "fluid grid system" in the definition of
> responsive.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>
>> Absolute no to WooCommerce or any other commercial site. This is the
>> policy that was laid before us. I for one will keep that. Responsive and
>> Accessibility are in, let us pass that. No surveys, we will not carry this
>> more than we already did. I dislike long discussion over nothing. Community
>> was involved, provided with the chance to talk, that will wrap this up. And
>> note that it is not up to us, we don't hold the final word B-)
>>  On Aug 23, 2013 1:23 AM, "myazalea" <myazalea at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Big no to a woocommerce tag since its commercial and would be favoring
>>> it over other plugins.
>>>
>>> yes to some sort of ecommerce or shop tag
>>>
>>>
>>> Skickat från min Samsung Mobil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Originalmeddelande --------
>>> Från: Ulrich Pogson <grapplerulrich at gmail.com>
>>> Datum: 23-08-2013 8:17 (GMT+01:00)
>>> Till: "Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers." <
>>> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org>
>>> Rubrik: Re: [theme-reviewers] Tags and description.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am more for just "Responsive" because if I had to get examples this is
>>> what comes to mind first.
>>>
>>> Responsive: TwentyTwelve
>>> Mobile-Optimized: Jetpack Mobile Theme
>>> Mobile: WPTouch <http://wordpress.org/plugins/wptouch/>
>>>
>>> The solutions for "Mobile-Optimized" and "Mobile" are plugins.
>>>
>>> As we have "buddypress" tag there should be a place "bbpress" and even
>>> "woocommerce" also.
>>>
>>> I think a survey would not be bad so that we can track the responses
>>> properly.
>>>
>>> I have created something. Would love some feedback.
>>> http://grapplerulrich.polldaddy.com/s/theme-tag-servey
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23 August 2013 06:37, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Understood, I wasn't aware. And yes for above mobile. Accessibility is
>>>> on the list too. I think.
>>>>  On Aug 22, 2013 11:35 PM, "Josh Pollock" <jpollock412 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> @justin agreed.
>>>>>
>>>>> We ned to think about more than just mobile/responsive/etc tags.
>>>>>
>>>>> What about tags based one end purpose, how do we feel about reviewing
>>>>> those? For instance theme forest has these top level categories for their
>>>>> WordPress themes: Blog/ magazine, creative, corporate, retail, technology,
>>>>> nonprofit, entertainment, miscellaneous, mobile, buddypress, and ecommerce.
>>>>> Could we do tags like that? What about a CMS tag?
>>>>>
>>>>> @emil - There is no guarantee that there will be new tags. This
>>>>> process is very preliminary. But if a useful set of tags can be generated
>>>>> by the THX38 project, then a new search filtering system based on those
>>>>> tags will have a good shot at being implemented.
>>>>> I'm trying to take some initiative to bring the theme review team's
>>>>> thoughts on tags back to the THX38 team because I'm the only theme reviewer
>>>>> that was present for the first THX38 meeting and a lot of ideas for new
>>>>> tags were thrown around, which made me worry about how we were going to
>>>>> review them. Basically, I'd rather say, "this is what the theme review team
>>>>> discussion resulted in", then say, "as one of the theme reviewers this is
>>>>> what I think."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Justin Tadlock <
>>>>> justin at justintadlock.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  I agree with Chip that one tag would be better for end users.
>>>>>> However, I also think we need to propose multiple tags to whoever is in
>>>>>> charge of this.  So, having a list of potential tags with their definitions
>>>>>> is what we should put together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On that note, I've never had a user ask for an "adaptive" theme.
>>>>>> It's mostly "responsive."  But, "mobile-ready" and "mobile-first" are terms
>>>>>> that are also thrown around a bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, I dislike the phrase "fluid grid system" when referring to
>>>>>> responsive design.  Maybe something along the lines of "a fluid layout that
>>>>>> responds to screen size."  Anyway, I'm just nit-picking words here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/22/2013 10:52 PM, Josh Pollock wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @chip- I think there is a good chance of a lot of new tags being
>>>>>> added. Everyone agrees we need to be able to filter search results based on
>>>>>> tags and the current set of tags doesn't do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  What does it hurt to create a list of tag and definitions that the
>>>>>> theme review team thinks would be useful and we could review fairly?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I think it would be better if we brainstormed a list without any
>>>>>> premptive doomsaying, so I can take it back to the THX38 meeting as the
>>>>>> theme review teams ideas on new tags, instead of just bringing own
>>>>>> ideas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, August 22, 2013, Chip Bennett wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My main problem with that is that it's still adding three tags where
>>>>>>> currently none exist. I just don't see that flying with the powers-that-be.
>>>>>>> I think our best bet of getting *any* tags added is to keep to a single
>>>>>>> tag.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  IMHO, the tag list could probably stand for a bit of an overhaul -
>>>>>>> but that would be a bigger discussion than this one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Josh Pollock <jpollock412 at gmail.com
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How about this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Responsive: "A theme with a layout that employs a fluid grid
>>>>>>> system that changes in response to screen size."
>>>>>>> Mobile-Optimized: "A theme that adjusts its layout, reduces the
>>>>>>> sizes of its media elements and otherwise improves the page load time and
>>>>>>> user experience for mobile."
>>>>>>> Mobile: "A Theme that is designed to be used only on mobile devices."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Notice I left adaptive off of the list, and I'm open to leaving
>>>>>>> mobile off too if its not needed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mobile-responsive and that includes both?
>>>>>>>  On Aug 22, 2013 5:46 PM, "Emil Uzelac" <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whatever is better. :-)
>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2013 5:44 PM, "Chip Bennett" <chip at chipbennett.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Remember: those tags are, primarily, for *users* rather than for
>>>>>>> developers. To the end user: what's the tangible difference between
>>>>>>> "responsive" and "adaptive"? In this case, "end user" could be both the
>>>>>>> site owner (the one who chooses and installs the Theme) or the site visitor
>>>>>>> (who would view the website via devices with various screen sizes).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Do a developer, I agree 100% that the two terms have tangible,
>>>>>>> meaningful differences.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I'm just struggling to see how a user would see any difference
>>>>>>> whatsoever. In both cases, the Theme is designed to work on devices with
>>>>>>> variously small screen sizes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Josh Pollock <jpollock412 at gmail.com
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree and disagree with Chip. I agree we need to find the
>>>>>>> definition that is most useful to end users and two tags with the same
>>>>>>> definition is probably confusing. The problem is some end users are more
>>>>>>> sophisticated than others. Some know what responsive means, some don't.
>>>>>>> That said, we shouldn't equate the two, because they are different. GIve me
>>>>>>> a little time and I will propose some new definitions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  @Ulrich We can't just add tags to the guidelines. They need to be
>>>>>>> supported by core. As part of the THX38 project this will most likely
>>>>>>> happening. I'm hoping to go to the next THX38 meeting with a list of tags
>>>>>>> that we, as theme reviewers, want added and feel like we can review
>>>>>>> properly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm one of those people who doesn't know the difference between
>>>>>>> "responsive" and "adaptive". Well, until just now, because I
>>>>>>> googled it<http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/web-designer/what-is-the-difference-between-responsive-vs-adaptive-web-design/>.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  The TL;DR of that article:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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