[theme-reviewers] Tags and description.

Fri Aug 23 06:45:42 UTC 2013

+1 to Emil, just don't put "fluid grid system" in the definition of
responsive.

On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:

> Absolute no to WooCommerce or any other commercial site. This is the
> policy that was laid before us. I for one will keep that. Responsive and
> Accessibility are in, let us pass that. No surveys, we will not carry this
> more than we already did. I dislike long discussion over nothing. Community
> was involved, provided with the chance to talk, that will wrap this up. And
> note that it is not up to us, we don't hold the final word B-)
> On Aug 23, 2013 1:23 AM, "myazalea" <myazalea at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Big no to a woocommerce tag since its commercial and would be favoring it
>> over other plugins.
>>
>> yes to some sort of ecommerce or shop tag
>>
>>
>> Skickat från min Samsung Mobil
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Originalmeddelande --------
>> Från: Ulrich Pogson <grapplerulrich at gmail.com>
>> Datum: 23-08-2013 8:17 (GMT+01:00)
>> Till: "Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers." <
>> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org>
>> Rubrik: Re: [theme-reviewers] Tags and description.
>>
>>
>> I am more for just "Responsive" because if I had to get examples this is
>> what comes to mind first.
>>
>> Responsive: TwentyTwelve
>> Mobile-Optimized: Jetpack Mobile Theme
>> Mobile: WPTouch <http://wordpress.org/plugins/wptouch/>
>>
>> The solutions for "Mobile-Optimized" and "Mobile" are plugins.
>>
>> As we have "buddypress" tag there should be a place "bbpress" and even
>> "woocommerce" also.
>>
>> I think a survey would not be bad so that we can track the responses
>> properly.
>>
>> I have created something. Would love some feedback.
>> http://grapplerulrich.polldaddy.com/s/theme-tag-servey
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23 August 2013 06:37, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>
>>> Understood, I wasn't aware. And yes for above mobile. Accessibility is
>>> on the list too. I think.
>>>  On Aug 22, 2013 11:35 PM, "Josh Pollock" <jpollock412 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> @justin agreed.
>>>>
>>>> We ned to think about more than just mobile/responsive/etc tags.
>>>>
>>>> What about tags based one end purpose, how do we feel about reviewing
>>>> those? For instance theme forest has these top level categories for their
>>>> WordPress themes: Blog/ magazine, creative, corporate, retail, technology,
>>>> nonprofit, entertainment, miscellaneous, mobile, buddypress, and ecommerce.
>>>> Could we do tags like that? What about a CMS tag?
>>>>
>>>> @emil - There is no guarantee that there will be new tags. This process
>>>> is very preliminary. But if a useful set of tags can be generated by the
>>>> THX38 project, then a new search filtering system based on those tags will
>>>> have a good shot at being implemented.
>>>> I'm trying to take some initiative to bring the theme review team's
>>>> thoughts on tags back to the THX38 team because I'm the only theme reviewer
>>>> that was present for the first THX38 meeting and a lot of ideas for new
>>>> tags were thrown around, which made me worry about how we were going to
>>>> review them. Basically, I'd rather say, "this is what the theme review team
>>>> discussion resulted in", then say, "as one of the theme reviewers this is
>>>> what I think."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Justin Tadlock <
>>>> justin at justintadlock.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  I agree with Chip that one tag would be better for end users.
>>>>> However, I also think we need to propose multiple tags to whoever is in
>>>>> charge of this.  So, having a list of potential tags with their definitions
>>>>> is what we should put together.
>>>>>
>>>>> On that note, I've never had a user ask for an "adaptive" theme.  It's
>>>>> mostly "responsive."  But, "mobile-ready" and "mobile-first" are terms that
>>>>> are also thrown around a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I dislike the phrase "fluid grid system" when referring to
>>>>> responsive design.  Maybe something along the lines of "a fluid layout that
>>>>> responds to screen size."  Anyway, I'm just nit-picking words here.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/22/2013 10:52 PM, Josh Pollock wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> @chip- I think there is a good chance of a lot of new tags being
>>>>> added. Everyone agrees we need to be able to filter search results based on
>>>>> tags and the current set of tags doesn't do it.
>>>>>
>>>>>  What does it hurt to create a list of tag and definitions that the
>>>>> theme review team thinks would be useful and we could review fairly?
>>>>>
>>>>>  I think it would be better if we brainstormed a list without any
>>>>> premptive doomsaying, so I can take it back to the THX38 meeting as the
>>>>> theme review teams ideas on new tags, instead of just bringing own
>>>>> ideas.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, August 22, 2013, Chip Bennett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My main problem with that is that it's still adding three tags where
>>>>>> currently none exist. I just don't see that flying with the powers-that-be.
>>>>>> I think our best bet of getting *any* tags added is to keep to a single
>>>>>> tag.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  IMHO, the tag list could probably stand for a bit of an overhaul -
>>>>>> but that would be a bigger discussion than this one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Josh Pollock <jpollock412 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Responsive: "A theme with a layout that employs a fluid grid system
>>>>>> that changes in response to screen size."
>>>>>> Mobile-Optimized: "A theme that adjusts its layout, reduces the sizes
>>>>>> of its media elements and otherwise improves the page load time and user
>>>>>> experience for mobile."
>>>>>> Mobile: "A Theme that is designed to be used only on mobile devices."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Notice I left adaptive off of the list, and I'm open to leaving
>>>>>> mobile off too if its not needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mobile-responsive and that includes both?
>>>>>>  On Aug 22, 2013 5:46 PM, "Emil Uzelac" <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whatever is better. :-)
>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2013 5:44 PM, "Chip Bennett" <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Remember: those tags are, primarily, for *users* rather than for
>>>>>> developers. To the end user: what's the tangible difference between
>>>>>> "responsive" and "adaptive"? In this case, "end user" could be both the
>>>>>> site owner (the one who chooses and installs the Theme) or the site visitor
>>>>>> (who would view the website via devices with various screen sizes).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Do a developer, I agree 100% that the two terms have tangible,
>>>>>> meaningful differences.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I'm just struggling to see how a user would see any difference
>>>>>> whatsoever. In both cases, the Theme is designed to work on devices with
>>>>>> variously small screen sizes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Josh Pollock <jpollock412 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree and disagree with Chip. I agree we need to find the
>>>>>> definition that is most useful to end users and two tags with the same
>>>>>> definition is probably confusing. The problem is some end users are more
>>>>>> sophisticated than others. Some know what responsive means, some don't.
>>>>>> That said, we shouldn't equate the two, because they are different. GIve me
>>>>>> a little time and I will propose some new definitions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  @Ulrich We can't just add tags to the guidelines. They need to be
>>>>>> supported by core. As part of the THX38 project this will most likely
>>>>>> happening. I'm hoping to go to the next THX38 meeting with a list of tags
>>>>>> that we, as theme reviewers, want added and feel like we can review
>>>>>> properly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm one of those people who doesn't know the difference between
>>>>>> "responsive" and "adaptive". Well, until just now, because I googled
>>>>>> it<http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/web-designer/what-is-the-difference-between-responsive-vs-adaptive-web-design/>.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  The TL;DR of that article:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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