[theme-reviewers] Second Opinion

Josh Stauffer joshstauffer at gmail.com
Wed Jan 19 20:46:55 UTC 2011 

>
> And perhaps we need more explicit guidelines on "substantial difference"
> with respect to design?


> Not that I have any *clue* what those explicit guidelines might be, mind
> you.


> But as bad as all-green is, it passes a cursory "does this *look* like
> TwentyTen?" visual check. Maybe that's not enough?


> Chip


Hey Team,

I'm confused as crap on this topic. This is a decent looking theme in my
opinion. With the exception of SEO links, why would a theme like this get
suspended? You say it's too TwentyTen-like. Can someone elaborate so I can
be on the same page as everyone else? ;-)

Keep in mind that I never got to see the WP theme, only this demo:
http://www.bloggerthemes.net/all-green/demo

Thanks,

Josh


On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Edward Caissie <edward.caissie at gmail.com>wrote:

> Theme has been suspended ... the author should be advised as noted
> throughout this thread.
>
> Author email: paydaydesigns [at] gmail ...
>
> I can do it, unless someone else wants to write something specific.
>
>
> Cais.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph) <
> philip at frumph.net> wrote:
>
>>  hey, me neither - read my first 100 heh..
>>
>> but yeah this should be suspended
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>
>> *To:* theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:29 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [theme-reviewers] Second Opinion
>>
>> No worries. I'm not immune to faulty reviews (eh, Phil? ;) ). This one
>> probably makes a good case study for handling of derivative Themes.
>>
>> Chip
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Emil Uzelac <emil at themeid.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I wasn't aware that it was you :(
>>> Yeah, there's no difference in line code at all. This is indeed
>>> TwentyTen.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Emil Uzelac* | ThemeID | T: 224-444-0006 | Twitter: @EmilUzelac<http://twitter.com/emiluzelac>| E:
>>> emil at themeid.com | http://themeid.com
>>> *Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.* - Albert
>>> Einstein
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>wrote:
>>>
>>>> That one was one I reviewed/approved; *mea culpa*.
>>>>
>>>> Looks like I didn't do a full review on that one. (Looks like it was
>>>> from about two months ago. Since then, I've started looking more carefully
>>>> at textdomain, and substantial differences for TwentyTen-derived Themes.)
>>>>
>>>> Chalk it up to a bad review: Bad Chip! :)
>>>>
>>>> I'd be fine with suspending, and asking for a revision, to address
>>>> deficiencies.
>>>>
>>>> Chip
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Emil Uzelac <emil at themeid.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Let's drop the link building for a moment and look into the same author
>>>>> shall we?
>>>>> All right this http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/all-green is
>>>>> approved and the entire code is from TwentyTen, every single like, it even
>>>>> says TwentyTen directly in files. How can that be?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Emil Uzelac* | ThemeID | T: 224-444-0006 | Twitter: @EmilUzelac<http://twitter.com/emiluzelac>| E:
>>>>> emil at themeid.com | http://themeid.com
>>>>> *Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.* - Albert
>>>>> Einstein
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The standard is "*significantly different design and/or functionality
>>>>>> *". Granted, it's entirely subjective, but we *are* taking into
>>>>>> consideration.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know how to draw the line any more clearly than that, when the
>>>>>> reality is that a non-trivial number of submitted Themes will *always* be
>>>>>> derived from the WordPress default Theme - which right now is TwentyTen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thus, it is rather infeasible to disallow *any* TwentyTen-derived
>>>>>> Themes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chip
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are we actually allowing basic modifications to the twentyten theme
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> go into the directory?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can't we say that themes must be at least somewhat *original*? Simply
>>>>>>> replacing the
>>>>>>> artwork and screwing around with the CSS of an existing theme does
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> a new theme create.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just a thought.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Otto
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Daniel Tara <contact at onedesigns.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > Twenty Ten has that hook and that theme copies plenty of code from
>>>>>>> it. I
>>>>>>> > think it’s residual waste from wannabe coders that don’t actually
>>>>>>> understand
>>>>>>> > what they’re doing.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Daniel
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > From: theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org
>>>>>>> > [mailto:theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Philip M.
>>>>>>> > Hofer (Frumph)
>>>>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:43 PM
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Second Opinion
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I'm thinking there's some plugin out there that's doing it, since
>>>>>>> plugin's
>>>>>>> > are not .. moderated, they can do anything of the like.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > From: Chip Bennett
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 6:39 AM
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Second Opinion
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I've seen quite a few Themes that have such a "do_action(
>>>>>>> 'my_theme_credits'
>>>>>>> > )" in footer.php, but without a corresponding add_action() hook in
>>>>>>> > functions.php.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I've always taken it to be sloppiness in copying from another
>>>>>>> Theme, adding
>>>>>>> > in a hook but not knowing to define it. Is it something else?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Chip
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph)
>>>>>>> > <philip at frumph.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > .. is there an action that hooks into it in the theme or is he
>>>>>>> hooking in
>>>>>>> > someplace else like a plugin?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > <?php do_action( 'all_green_credits' ); ?>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > From: Daniel Tara
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:55 AM
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Second Opinion
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > If you don’t mean that he is building links via the
>>>>>>> 'all_green_credits'
>>>>>>> > hook, then I don’t get it either.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Anyway, there’s no function hooked to that action in any theme
>>>>>>> file.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Daniel
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > From: theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org
>>>>>>> > [mailto:theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Chip
>>>>>>> > Bennett
>>>>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 3:40 PM
>>>>>>> > To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Second Opinion
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > So for the not-enough-sleep-and-no-coffee-yet version: what am I
>>>>>>> looking at,
>>>>>>> > in the footer.php that you linked? :)
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Chip
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 4:52 AM, Emil Uzelac <emil at themeid.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > This would be no go, the guy is building links via theme and that's
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> > cool. Please see Google cache on this http://is.gd/TSWfvV
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Emil Uzelac | ThemeID | T: 224-444-0006 | Twitter: @EmilUzelac | E:
>>>>>>> > emil at themeid.com | http://themeid.com
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler. - Albert
>>>>>>> Einstein
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph)
>>>>>>> > <philip at frumph.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > heh well thats not far from what it looks like in firefox too, that
>>>>>>> text on
>>>>>>> > the image looks horrible
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > From: Chip Bennett
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 8:55 AM
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Second Opinion
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Follow up:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Firefox: renders fine
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Chrome: does not render properly
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > IE8: does not render properly
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > By "does not render properly", here's what I'm seeing.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Chip
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph)
>>>>>>> > <philip at frumph.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > i'm sorry, i'm confused as to why it's not rendering to you?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > think its a browser issue or connection to the site?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > From: Chip Bennett
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 8:05 AM
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Second Opinion
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Can you and Phil post screencaps on the ticket? I'll reinstall the
>>>>>>> Theme and
>>>>>>> > do the same.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > (Or, if it's not the author's original work, maybe we just deny it
>>>>>>> on those
>>>>>>> > grounds?)
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Chip
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Edward Caissie <
>>>>>>> edward.caissie at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > IT rendered fine but like Phil pointed out, there are some obvious
>>>>>>> items to
>>>>>>> > look at ...
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph)
>>>>>>> > <philip at frumph.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > yes yes and yes, renders fine sorta..
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > last post from from last october, the 404 page renders like crap
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > The real template author for this is http://www.bloggerthemes.net/
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > as shown here
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> http://www.dhetemplate.com/2010/11/free-all-green-blogger-template.html#
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > (notice the paydaydesigns.info on that page)
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > From: Chip Bennett
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 7:47 AM
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Second Opinion
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Can you read any of the content?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Does it look like screenshot.png?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Edward Caissie <
>>>>>>> edward.caissie at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > IT seems to load fine for me ... haven't tested it or anything.
>>>>>>> What issues
>>>>>>> > are you having?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Jay <furcifer at furcifer.me>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Hey chip.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Just taking a quick look from my phone, it's the same theme that's
>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>> > author url, and i'm having issues with that.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>Hey All,
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>I could not get this Theme
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >><https://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/2655>to render properly
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>me. Can someone else confirm that it is the Theme,
>>>>>>> >>and not something with my test environment?
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>Thanks!
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>Chip
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >
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