[wp-trac] [WordPress Trac] #27159: Removing TinyMCE buttons to improve user experience

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#27159: Removing TinyMCE buttons to improve user experience
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 Reporter:  hugobaeta    |       Owner:  hugobaeta
     Type:  enhancement  |      Status:  assigned
 Priority:  normal       |   Milestone:  4.7
Component:  TinyMCE      |     Version:  3.8
 Severity:  normal       |  Resolution:
 Keywords:               |     Focuses:  ui, administration
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Comment (by hugobaeta):

 Again, I'm with @celloexpressions here. I think the excuse of testing is
 being used to avoid making a decision. For the three things I asked for
 (and I'm compromising greatly here from the initial idea), I don't see how
 any of those arguments make sense here.

 - move `formatselect` to first position on top row and remove Heading 1.
 - remove `alignjustify`
 - remove `underline`

 @azaozz
 >In short: moving buttons to the top or bottom toolbar doesn't seem to
 work in the way many people think it works. It seems it's just going to be
 annoying for existing users as they are used to the existing locations. If
 we are going to risk "pissing off" several million people, lets do it
 after some solid proof that what we are doing is right

 I understand your intention here, but how is this even testable? You
 believe most people have the kitchen sink open. But you also contradict
 that by saying a lot don't even know a second row even exists. Moving
 `formatselect` to the top is logical, since it's such an important element
 that, according to you, a lot of people never even discover (and like
 @celloexpressions said, maybe explains why `aligncenter` is used so much).
 removing `alignjustify` and `underline` have been discussed enough, plus,
 again according to the idea that a lot of people don't even know there's a
 second row, removing them won't cause much harm anyway (plus we're
 introducing a potential replacement for `underline` in #38315).

 @azaozz you also mentioned the whole problem of discoverability of the
 kitchen sink, but that does not belong in this ticket and is making this
 conversation even more complicated.

 I'm all for testing things, but I also believe in decisions for the good
 of the user. We're definitely going around in circles and even though I
 understand your intentions, I don't think punting this is in the best
 interest of the user.

 Again, all I'm asking for is three things:

 - move `formatselect` to first position on top row and remove Heading 1.
 - remove `alignjustify`
 - remove `underline`

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Ticket URL: <https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/27159#comment:108>
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