[wp-hackers] Replacing TinyMCE with Xinha

Thu Nov 30 02:56:45 GMT 2006

I vote for both as plugins and none in the core.

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Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] Replacing TinyMCE with Xinha

>I vote for one or the other, not both in the core. Stick the other in a
> plugin.
>
> On 11/29/06, Dave W <dabbaking at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> So maybe Xinha can ship as a plugin and put a link on the write page so
>> that
>> you can switch between the two.
>>
>> On 11/29/06, Kirk Steffensen <blogger at steffensenfamily.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Denis,
>> >
>> > I agree there are bugs in TinyMCE, but I also agree that the TinyMCE
>> folks
>> > have been squashing them fairly quickly.  I built a plugin for TinyMCE
>> > (http://g2image.steffensenfamily.com) that's been used in WPG2
>> > (http://wpg2.galleryembedded.com) for the past six months, so I feel I
>> > have
>> > a little credibility on the matter.
>> >
>> > That said, I think your specific example is not a good one.  Any editor
>> > for
>> > a part of a page should strip out the <html> and <head> tags.  The 
>> > shell
>> > (in
>> > this case WordPress) is responsible for those parts.  The subparts of a
>> > page
>> > should not try to have their own <html> and <head> tags, they should
>> only
>> > be
>> > a part of the <body> tag.  Unless I'm totally missing what you're 
>> > trying
>> > to
>> > do.
>> >
>> > I'm not religiously tied to TinyMCE either.  I can modify my Gallery2
>> > plugin
>> > for any editor with a good plugin system.  If we're going to look at a
>> new
>> > editor, though, I'd recommend a look at FCKEditor, too.  It has fairly
>> > wide
>> > support among the other CMS-type software.
>> >
>> > I think it is worth noting that one of my favorite "big CMS" projects,
>> > Joomla (http://www.joomla.org) is also using TinyMCE as its default
>> > WYSIWYG
>> > editor.  Joomla also has a good plugin system that allows you to choose
>> > other editors, but it is their default, too.
>> >
>> > Kirk
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Denis de Bernardy [mailto:denis at semiologic.com]
>> > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 3:25 AM
>> > To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
>> > Subject: RE: [wp-hackers] Replacing TinyMCE with Xinha
>> >
>> > > Matt Mullenweg:
>> > >
>> > > I'm not religiously tied to TinyMCE, but Xinha was pretty
>> > > fragile in my
>> > > playing with it, and overall the codebase seems much less mature. We
>> > > have good upstream support from the MCE guys, good repeatable bug
>> > > reports (Denis' isn't) usually get fixed.
>> >
>> > Sure they are. Send it to whoever is maintaining TinyMCE, he'll readily
>> > reproduce them. If you need anything more specific, though:
>> >
>> > If I recall correctly, weird things sprout when you hit the Return key
>> > several times fast enough. Likely due to the way the script manages <p>
>> > and
>> > <br> tags, i.e. we've got concurrent calls to the function when users
>> type
>> > too fast, and they produce weird output. The same occurs for other
>> combos,
>> > but this one was the most obvious.
>> >
>> > I haven't the slightest clue why the divs come up exactly, but it 
>> > should
>> > be
>> > obvious to whoever created the validation script that, given the
>> reported
>> > bug, empty <div> tags should be corrected as <div></div> rather than
>> plain
>> > <div />.
>> >
>> > For the front page bug, paste junk, e.g.:
>> >
>> > <html><head><title>yada</title></head><body>yada</body></html>
>> >
>> > And see TinyMCE accept the above unchanged instead of grabbing the part
>> in
>> > the body.
>> >
>> > Lastly, I don't paste from Word, but a few of my customers certainly 
>> > do.
>> > They and others expect it to work because it's "bloody obvious" to them
>> > that
>> > a list gets formatted as a list no matter where you paste it to or 
>> > from.
>> > Grab a few lists, tables, indents, etc. from Word97, paste in 
>> > FCKEditor,
>> > it
>> > almost always works. Do the same in TinyMCE, and you almost always need
>> to
>> > edit the resulting html source code. In particular, to remove <div />,
>> <p
>> > />
>> > and <script /> tags.
>> >
>> > Denis
>> >
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