[wp-hackers] Replacing TinyMCE with Xinha

Thu Nov 30 02:35:59 GMT 2006

I vote for one or the other, not both in the core. Stick the other in a
plugin.

On 11/29/06, Dave W <dabbaking at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So maybe Xinha can ship as a plugin and put a link on the write page so
> that
> you can switch between the two.
>
> On 11/29/06, Kirk Steffensen <blogger at steffensenfamily.com> wrote:
> >
> > Denis,
> >
> > I agree there are bugs in TinyMCE, but I also agree that the TinyMCE
> folks
> > have been squashing them fairly quickly.  I built a plugin for TinyMCE
> > (http://g2image.steffensenfamily.com) that's been used in WPG2
> > (http://wpg2.galleryembedded.com) for the past six months, so I feel I
> > have
> > a little credibility on the matter.
> >
> > That said, I think your specific example is not a good one.  Any editor
> > for
> > a part of a page should strip out the <html> and <head> tags.  The shell
> > (in
> > this case WordPress) is responsible for those parts.  The subparts of a
> > page
> > should not try to have their own <html> and <head> tags, they should
> only
> > be
> > a part of the <body> tag.  Unless I'm totally missing what you're trying
> > to
> > do.
> >
> > I'm not religiously tied to TinyMCE either.  I can modify my Gallery2
> > plugin
> > for any editor with a good plugin system.  If we're going to look at a
> new
> > editor, though, I'd recommend a look at FCKEditor, too.  It has fairly
> > wide
> > support among the other CMS-type software.
> >
> > I think it is worth noting that one of my favorite "big CMS" projects,
> > Joomla (http://www.joomla.org) is also using TinyMCE as its default
> > WYSIWYG
> > editor.  Joomla also has a good plugin system that allows you to choose
> > other editors, but it is their default, too.
> >
> > Kirk
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Denis de Bernardy [mailto:denis at semiologic.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 3:25 AM
> > To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
> > Subject: RE: [wp-hackers] Replacing TinyMCE with Xinha
> >
> > > Matt Mullenweg:
> > >
> > > I'm not religiously tied to TinyMCE, but Xinha was pretty
> > > fragile in my
> > > playing with it, and overall the codebase seems much less mature. We
> > > have good upstream support from the MCE guys, good repeatable bug
> > > reports (Denis' isn't) usually get fixed.
> >
> > Sure they are. Send it to whoever is maintaining TinyMCE, he'll readily
> > reproduce them. If you need anything more specific, though:
> >
> > If I recall correctly, weird things sprout when you hit the Return key
> > several times fast enough. Likely due to the way the script manages <p>
> > and
> > <br> tags, i.e. we've got concurrent calls to the function when users
> type
> > too fast, and they produce weird output. The same occurs for other
> combos,
> > but this one was the most obvious.
> >
> > I haven't the slightest clue why the divs come up exactly, but it should
> > be
> > obvious to whoever created the validation script that, given the
> reported
> > bug, empty <div> tags should be corrected as <div></div> rather than
> plain
> > <div />.
> >
> > For the front page bug, paste junk, e.g.:
> >
> > <html><head><title>yada</title></head><body>yada</body></html>
> >
> > And see TinyMCE accept the above unchanged instead of grabbing the part
> in
> > the body.
> >
> > Lastly, I don't paste from Word, but a few of my customers certainly do.
> > They and others expect it to work because it's "bloody obvious" to them
> > that
> > a list gets formatted as a list no matter where you paste it to or from.
> > Grab a few lists, tables, indents, etc. from Word97, paste in FCKEditor,
> > it
> > almost always works. Do the same in TinyMCE, and you almost always need
> to
> > edit the resulting html source code. In particular, to remove <div />,
> <p
> > />
> > and <script /> tags.
> >
> > Denis
> >
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