[wp-design] Second Draft

Khaled Abou Alfa khaled.aboualfa at gmail.com
Thu Feb 17 15:00:35 GMT 2005

I'll get into all points and hammer away at it later on tonight giving
all comments and whatnot later on in more detail, but just wanted to
say pretty awesome. That is all ^_^.

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:05:01 +0100, Joen Asmussen <joen at noscope.com> wrote:
> Right, I managed to throw together a new draft, based on some things I
> wanted to communicate visually, and some ideas Michaels and Khaleds
> awesome sketches showed.
> First, some feedback though, so as to not spam too much.
> Matthew Mullenweg wrote:
> > That's a very good point, even if we nail something revolutionary and
> > exciting to us, we probably want to deploy it over a few version help
> > people gradually adjust and also see how it's working in the Real World.
> A soft rollout. That's a good idea. We'd also be able to do some
> hotfixes if we make some huge blunder.
> > I'm only speaking from what I've observed, and I've watched a lot of
> > people use WordPress for the first time. I don't really want a dark
> > border, but I think some gentle styling could give a more usable,
> > unified, and consistent user experience. If we start to put marching
> > ants around the active box, please stop us, but I don't think we
> > should pre-emptively cut off any experimentation on this front.
> I see where you're coming from, and I'm all for experimentation and
> seeing how things would work. The reason I mentioned it is so we might
> save some time. When I heard "1px dark border" some alarm bells
> immediately rang. I've _made_ these mistakes before. Sometimes it's okay
> to style websites, but not for admin interfaces like these. With that
> said, I'm pretty sure I've made myself clear now, so I'll shut my
> piehole. Plus, I realise it's quite possible that Michael or Khaled can
> style the input boxes in a way that puts all these comments to shame.
> >Also on the subject of the input box I really liked what Chris D did
> >on his mock up which was have this oval offset thing rather than a
> >square box. It was smaller and tighter.
> >
> >
> Did I miss anything here? I haven't seen Chris' mockup?
> Now for my sketch:
> http://www.noscope.com/dump/v2.jpg
> http://www.noscope.com/dump/v2.zip
> As you can see, it's heavily building on both Mike's and Khaleds nice
> drafts. I wanted to extend some of my ideas, including collapsing, etc.
> * Moved logo to the top right.
> * I kept the box around the whole post. This is not something I'm
> married to, but I like it, especially for when we'll add a preview. That
> way we can keep the post editing completely separate from the preview. I
> also tinted it light gray.
> * Widened title box, just like Michael did. This is a good idea: a wide
> input box encourages people to write.
> * I havent' changed any text sizes, it would take too much time. Rest
> assured that I completely accept and expect a larger font when we go CSS.
> * The "quicktags" panel is modelled after Word. It is below the "Post
> Body" title, but above the text area, similar to Word (or other text
> apps). It is left aligned, because IMHO things just die when they get
> centered. Furthermore, I could expect this to be a problem with a liquid
> design.
> * Removed the "save and continue editing" button, for the same reasons
> as Michael.
> * I moved many things to a "sidebar" to the right. I did this because it
> is somewhat secondary to the contents of the post. To separate these two
> I added a small dotline.
> * Collapsable menus. Instead of reinventing the spoon with regards to
> how things collapse, I simply re-ised a metaphor that is well
> established on the Windows platform. The plus. When you click the plus,
> something expands, and it turns into a minus. When the minus is clicked,
> this collapses. The strenght of using this plus/minus, is that people
> know what it does, almost by heart. It is not "something new to learn".
> On a sidenote: I know we have some Mac people among us. As I recall, mac
> people have a small blueish arrow that rotates down when clicked? I
> could go for such one as well.
> * The sidebar is now wider than the categories made it before. The extra
> space makes it lighter, and allows for both "Post Password" and "Post
> slug" to be located there.
> * I have moved "Timestamp" and "Post Author" to the sidebar, but they
> are collapsed by default. I mentioned this when looking at Michaels
> sketch. If a user wants to change the time of a post, he/she shouldn't
> have to look through the advanced options.
> * The same logic applies to the "advanced" section I've added in the
> bottom. As you can see, all contens are immediately visible under the
> "advanced" title, and there's no doubt what you can do there.
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