[theme-reviewers] Is Blog.php is allowed in theme?

Chip Bennett chip at chipbennett.net
Sat Jul 5 17:27:16 UTC 2014 

"Coincidently, don’t set a ‘front page displays’ ... it is not required to
do so, nor necessary."

This is exactly and entirely your problem.

Yes, you DO have to tell WordPress if/when you don't want the blog posts
index to display on the front page, and you do so via this setting, which
updates get_option( 'show_on_front' ) - which in turn is used to set
important things like $query->is_home.


On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph) <philip at frumph.net
> wrote:

>   Yes, it does.
>
> Try it.
>
>  Coincidently, don’t set a ‘front page displays’ ... it is not required
> to do so, nor necessary.   I think that’s where your thought process is
> failing, people who want the landing page to not change; will not set the
> front page to be some “other” page.  They want the events that are
> triggered to be on the landing page to be ON the landing page.
>
> If the core dev’s wanted it to be required to make the front-page be set
> if you set the posts page then they would have made it so.
>
>
>  *From:* Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 05, 2014 10:08 AM
> *To:* Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers.
> <theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [theme-reviewers] Is Blog.php is allowed in theme?
>
>  No, it won't, unless the Theme is doing something wonky to the query.
>
> 1. Create two static pages, A & B
> 2. Settings -> Reading -> Front page displays = A static page
> 3. Settings -> Reading -> Front page = A
> 4. Settings -> Reading -> Posts page = B
>
> A will use front-page.php
> B will use home.php
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph) <
> philip at frumph.net> wrote:
>
>>   Just tested to make sure as well.
>>
>> IF you use a home.php file AND set the settings –> reading,  posts page
>> as one of your sub pages, it will STILL use both home.php on the index AND
>> the posts page.  Again, not what is wanted.  So all of the ‘events’ that
>> occur on the LANDING page are now duplicated on the page you set as the
>> POSTS page.
>>
>> Again, not what is wanted; hence the use of the blog template is
>> necessary.
>>
>> I have these three files:
>>
>> front-page.php
>> home.php
>> index.php
>>
>> It ALWAYS runs the home.php for both locations, also executing all events
>> for is_home/front_page on both.
>>
>> front-page.php and index.php are not even looked at for either position.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  *From:* Philip M. Hofer (Frumph) <philip at frumph.net>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 05, 2014 9:46 AM
>>  *To:* Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers.
>> <theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [theme-reviewers] Is Blog.php is allowed in theme?
>>
>>    .. chip, stop.   Learn.   a theme doesn’t have to be made with
>> anything but the index.php, a fallback doesn’t mean “don’t do it this way'”
>> it means that it’s the last one it checks to display if the others don’t
>> exist, most themes do *not* have the others.
>>
>>
>>
>>  *From:* Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 05, 2014 9:38 AM
>> *To:* Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers.
>> <theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [theme-reviewers] Is Blog.php is allowed in theme?
>>
>>  "but say the theme’s index.php is made for the home page which have
>> things inside of which only run ON the intro-splash first page you hit,"
>>
>> That is incorrect usage of index.php. The index.php template file is the
>> default fallback for all contexts. It is NOT the site front page.
>>
>> Please read these two posts:
>>
>>
>> http://www.chipbennett.net/2013/09/14/home-page-and-front-page-and-templates-oh-my/
>> and
>>
>> http://make.wordpress.org/themes/2014/06/28/correct-handling-of-static-front-page-and-custom-blog-posts-index-template/
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph) <
>> philip at frumph.net> wrote:
>>
>>>   Why would you need a sub page of a site to identify itself as
>>> is_home(), it is not the front_page or home?
>>>
>>> That’s the point, to put the blog posts onto a separate sub page hence
>>> the template; and not have it initiate functions that run as home.
>>>
>>> Again, and I will make this point a little more clear.   When you run
>>> the settings –> reading, ‘a static  page’ [ set the posts page ]  You are
>>> running the WordPress’s template hierarchy, so the the first thing it’s
>>> going to do is use the template structure of the theme;  for example, the
>>> index.php / but say the theme’s index.php is made for the home page which
>>> have things inside of which only run ON the intro-splash first page you
>>> hit, .. PEOPLE DO NOT WANT THAT;  the case-use here is that they want to
>>> move their blog posts to a sub page that is NOT a home page.
>>>
>>> These are people who do not just “go in and modify a theme”, these are
>>> users.  They don’t create a home.php they don’t create a front-page.php
>>> they use the theme and want to move their blog to a sub page from their
>>> home.
>>>
>>> If “I” were to create a front-page.php or a home.php or otherwise when
>>> people use the theme the template heirarchy uses those first when the
>>> setting is not set; which defeats the purpose of having specific
>>> functionality separated to begin with and then it cannot happen.
>>>
>>> And yeah, I still believe you won’t “get it”, and I have no more words
>>> to say on the subject.   It’s clear, you probably just need to experiment
>>> some more on how it works.  Or enlighten me otherwise.
>>>
>>>
>>>  *From:* Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 05, 2014 7:40 AM
>>>  *To:* Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers.
>>> <theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [theme-reviewers] Is Blog.php is allowed in theme?
>>>
>>>   I'm not sure I follow. Why would you need the blog posts index
>>> query/context/template not be able to identify itself as such (is_home())?
>>>
>>> The *blog* is the blog posts index, which should be rendered using the
>>> Home Template Hierarchy. When settings are configured properly (i.e. as
>>> defined by core), then a blog.php (i.e. a custom page template to render
>>> the blog posts index) is pointless. It will never get used, unless the
>>> Theme instructs the user to use a configuration other than the one defined
>>> by core. I really can't think of a valid use, ever, for blog.php.
>>>
>>> Post loops *other* than the blog posts index would use other templates.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph) <
>>> philip at frumph.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>   This is missing information.   the only way for a posts loop that
>>>> does not want to recognize itself as a home page from functions such as
>>>> is_home or is_front_page is to use a custom blog.php file; the keyword in
>>>> the article is “index template”  (unless someone can clarify)
>>>>
>>>> for example, say you have an index.php file that has a
>>>> do_action(‘something’) in it and the function checks if is_front_page() go
>>>> ahead and execute, you go to settings and set a page to the posts it will
>>>> recognize that page as is_front_page;   so if you don’t want that (and
>>>> there are reasons) then a blog.php is the only real solution
>>>>
>>>>  now, that’s just my understand on how I got things to work properly
>>>> for my theme;  if someone has information on the template hierarchy
>>>> substitute that would be peachy.
>>>>
>>>> (mind you that is WITHOUT changing the template for the home page just
>>>> not having the blog loop there and moving it to it’s own subpage)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  *From:* Joan Boluda <joan at boluda.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 05, 2014 4:55 AM
>>>> *To:* Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers.
>>>> <theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [theme-reviewers] Is Blog.php is allowed in theme?
>>>>
>>>>  You're welcome! :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *J**oan Boluda*
>>>> *Consultor de Marketing Online*
>>>> http://boluda.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Alex Lizar <lizarweb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Allot .It helped like a charm.
>>>>>
>>>>> Great Weekend you too :)
>>>>>
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>>>>>  On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Joan Boluda <joan at boluda.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not recommended:
>>>>>> https://make.wordpress.org/themes/2014/06/28/correct-handling-of-static-front-page-and-custom-blog-posts-index-template/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, July 5, 2014, Alex Lizar <lizarweb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you Sir,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can I use blog.php as a template here?
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Joan Boluda <joan at boluda.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Alex!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Home page and Front page info ->
>>>>>>>> http://www.chipbennett.net/2013/09/14/home-page-and-front-page-and-templates-oh-my/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great weekend! :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *J**oan Boluda*
>>>>>>>> *Consultor de Marketing Online*
>>>>>>>> http://boluda.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Alex Lizar <lizarweb at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have a confusion on blog.php ? What I want is to show my blog
>>>>>>>>> posts on a specific page on menu.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And my sites home page populated using front-page.php ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have gone through the reading setting option ,But could not get
>>>>>>>>> the solution .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I need a solution or suggestions.
>>>>>>>>>
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