[theme-reviewers] Is Blog.php is allowed in theme?

Sat Jul 5 17:21:35 UTC 2014

Yes, it does.  

Try it.  

Coincidently, don’t set a ‘front page displays’ ... it is not required to do so, nor necessary.   I think that’s where your thought process is failing, people who want the landing page to not change; will not set the front page to be some “other” page.  They want the events that are triggered to be on the landing page to be ON the landing page.

If the core dev’s wanted it to be required to make the front-page be set if you set the posts page then they would have made it so.

From: Chip Bennett 
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 10:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Is Blog.php is allowed in theme?

No, it won't, unless the Theme is doing something wonky to the query. 

1. Create two static pages, A & B
2. Settings -> Reading -> Front page displays = A static page
3. Settings -> Reading -> Front page = A
4. Settings -> Reading -> Posts page = B

A will use front-page.php
B will use home.php

On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph) <philip at frumph.net> wrote:

  Just tested to make sure as well.

  IF you use a home.php file AND set the settings –> reading,  posts page as one of your sub pages, it will STILL use both home.php on the index AND the posts page.  Again, not what is wanted.  So all of the ‘events’ that occur on the LANDING page are now duplicated on the page you set as the POSTS page.

  Again, not what is wanted; hence the use of the blog template is necessary.

  I have these three files:

  front-page.php
  home.php
  index.php

  It ALWAYS runs the home.php for both locations, also executing all events for is_home/front_page on both.

  front-page.php and index.php are not even looked at for either position.  

  From: Philip M. Hofer (Frumph) 
  Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 9:46 AM
  To: Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers. 
  Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Is Blog.php is allowed in theme?

  .. chip, stop.   Learn.   a theme doesn’t have to be made with anything but the index.php, a fallback doesn’t mean “don’t do it this way'” it means that it’s the last one it checks to display if the others don’t exist, most themes do *not* have the others.

  From: Chip Bennett 
  Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 9:38 AM
  To: Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers. 
  Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Is Blog.php is allowed in theme?

  "but say the theme’s index.php is made for the home page which have things inside of which only run ON the intro-splash first page you hit," 

  That is incorrect usage of index.php. The index.php template file is the default fallback for all contexts. It is NOT the site front page.

  Please read these two posts:

  http://www.chipbennett.net/2013/09/14/home-page-and-front-page-and-templates-oh-my/

  and
  http://make.wordpress.org/themes/2014/06/28/correct-handling-of-static-front-page-and-custom-blog-posts-index-template/

  On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph) <philip at frumph.net> wrote:

    Why would you need a sub page of a site to identify itself as is_home(), it is not the front_page or home?

    That’s the point, to put the blog posts onto a separate sub page hence the template; and not have it initiate functions that run as home.

    Again, and I will make this point a little more clear.   When you run the settings –> reading, ‘a static  page’ [ set the posts page ]  You are running the WordPress’s template hierarchy, so the the first thing it’s going to do is use the template structure of the theme;  for example, the index.php / but say the theme’s index.php is made for the home page which have things inside of which only run ON the intro-splash first page you hit, .. PEOPLE DO NOT WANT THAT;  the case-use here is that they want to move their blog posts to a sub page that is NOT a home page.

    These are people who do not just “go in and modify a theme”, these are users.  They don’t create a home.php they don’t create a front-page.php they use the theme and want to move their blog to a sub page from their home.

    If “I” were to create a front-page.php or a home.php or otherwise when people use the theme the template heirarchy uses those first when the setting is not set; which defeats the purpose of having specific functionality separated to begin with and then it cannot happen.

    And yeah, I still believe you won’t “get it”, and I have no more words to say on the subject.   It’s clear, you probably just need to experiment some more on how it works.  Or enlighten me otherwise.

    From: Chip Bennett 
    Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 7:40 AM
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    Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Is Blog.php is allowed in theme?

    I'm not sure I follow. Why would you need the blog posts index query/context/template not be able to identify itself as such (is_home())? 

    The *blog* is the blog posts index, which should be rendered using the Home Template Hierarchy. When settings are configured properly (i.e. as defined by core), then a blog.php (i.e. a custom page template to render the blog posts index) is pointless. It will never get used, unless the Theme instructs the user to use a configuration other than the one defined by core. I really can't think of a valid use, ever, for blog.php.

    Post loops *other* than the blog posts index would use other templates.

    On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph) <philip at frumph.net> wrote:

      This is missing information.   the only way for a posts loop that does not want to recognize itself as a home page from functions such as is_home or is_front_page is to use a custom blog.php file; the keyword in the article is “index template”  (unless someone can clarify)

      for example, say you have an index.php file that has a do_action(‘something’) in it and the function checks if is_front_page() go ahead and execute, you go to settings and set a page to the posts it will recognize that page as is_front_page;   so if you don’t want that (and there are reasons) then a blog.php is the only real solution

      now, that’s just my understand on how I got things to work properly for my theme;  if someone has information on the template hierarchy substitute that would be peachy.

      (mind you that is WITHOUT changing the template for the home page just not having the blog loop there and moving it to it’s own subpage)

      From: Joan Boluda 
      Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 4:55 AM
      To: Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers. 
      Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Is Blog.php is allowed in theme?

      You're welcome! :)

      Joan Boluda
      Consultor de Marketing Online
      http://boluda.com

      On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Alex Lizar <lizarweb at gmail.com> wrote:

        Thanks Allot .It helped like a charm. 

        Great Weekend you too :)

        Best Regards

        Weblizar

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        On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Joan Boluda <joan at boluda.com> wrote:

          Not recommended: https://make.wordpress.org/themes/2014/06/28/correct-handling-of-static-front-page-and-custom-blog-posts-index-template/ 

          On Saturday, July 5, 2014, Alex Lizar <lizarweb at gmail.com> wrote:

            Thank you Sir, 

            Can I use blog.php as a template here?

            Best Regards

            Weblizar

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            On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Joan Boluda <joan at boluda.com> wrote:

              Hi Alex! 

              Home page and Front page info -> http://www.chipbennett.net/2013/09/14/home-page-and-front-page-and-templates-oh-my/

              Great weekend! :)

              Joan Boluda
              Consultor de Marketing Online
              http://boluda.com

              On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Alex Lizar <lizarweb at gmail.com> wrote:

                Hello all, 

                I have a confusion on blog.php ? What I want is to show my blog posts on a specific page on menu.

                And my sites home page populated using front-page.php ?

                I have gone through the reading setting option ,But could not get the solution .

                I need a solution or suggestions.

                Best Regards

                Weblizar

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