[theme-reviewers] Bundled plugins

emin ozlem eminozlem at gmail.com
Sat Jan 25 15:47:37 UTC 2014 

Good to know thanks


2014-01-25 Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>

> No, Themes should not ever be installing anything automatically. Themes
> must be entirely self-contained.
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:42 AM, emin ozlem <eminozlem at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> When you say bundle, are themes allowed only to ship plugins with them to
>> be installed manually , or are they allowed to install them automatically
>> too upon theme activation ?
>>
>>
>> 2014-01-25 Bass Jobsen <bass at w3masters.nl>
>>
>>  Hello,
>>>
>>> I found some themes who advertise to be "retina ready". Recently i
>>> dropped retina support from my theme in favor to a plugin (
>>> http://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-retina-2x/ ). If you don't use a plugin
>>> in this case, theme reviewers should still have to evaluate the built in
>>> retina support code.
>>> Evaluation this code should be as difficult or easy as reviewing plugin
>>> code will be.
>>> Guidelines don't tell you now  what functions should build in or not.
>>>
>>> Regards, Bass
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014/1/24 Jose Castaneda <jomcastaneda at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> I totally agree with that. Main reason I chose to say case by case. :)
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 11:40 AM, Justin Tadlock <justin at justintadlock.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I agree that themes should not bundle plugins and would like to see a
>>>> guideline on this subject.  However, I do want to note that this is not
>>>> always a black-and-white thing.  Personally, I bundle several scripts with
>>>> my themes.  These are scripts written specifically for use in themes.  I
>>>> just also happen to have released them as standalone plugins for others to
>>>> use.  These plugins usually require users to enter code into their theme.
>>>> Basically, I just want reviewers to keep this in mind.
>>>>
>>>> Ultimately, what we're looking at is whether something belongs within
>>>> the theme, which means it should be related to the presentation of the
>>>> site.  I believe our guidelines already cover this perfectly fine.
>>>> Formalizing a guideline on not bundling plugins will only serve to better
>>>> clarify what we already have in place.
>>>>
>>>> On 1/24/2014 1:21 PM, Emil Uzelac wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have zero issues with that, but we should add few lines in our
>>>> guidelines :-)
>>>> On Jan 24, 2014 12:12 PM, "Chip Bennett" <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Regardless of the Guidelines' stance on bundled Plugins, reviews
>>>>> should *always* be conducted without any recommended Plugins.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Josh Pollock <jpollock412 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 to Chip on making this a formal part of the guidelines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I think the guidelines should specify if the review will be
>>>>>> conducted with and without any recommended plugins activated or just
>>>>>> without.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Jose Castaneda <
>>>>>> jomcastaneda at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I, too, feel it can be a requirement that themes not bundle it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  It not only takes up storage within the theme's folder but can,
>>>>>>> and, may differ from one in the repo. Who's to say they don't do a bait and
>>>>>>> switch.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  From what I recall from wptavern's post about the plugin repo they
>>>>>>> are able to approve a plugin fairly quickly. The biggest reason for not
>>>>>>> getting approved is because the developer doesn't respond/fix the issues.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   ...which explains why bundled Plugins should not be allowed.
>>>>>>> Theme reviewers cannot reasonably be expected to review Plugin code.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  We've been discussing it for a while now. Unless there remains
>>>>>>> some reasonable opposition, I would like to formalize it, and require that
>>>>>>> Themes not bundle Plugins.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Christine Rondeau <
>>>>>>> christine at bluelimemedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh, oh.. I wasn't aware of that. I reviewed the theme, didn't see
>>>>>>>> anything wrong and so marked it as approved. I didn't even think to review
>>>>>>>> the plugins, but I don't think that I could anyway. Plugins fall in a total
>>>>>>>> different category.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  I also work for cyberchimps. I do customer support for them and I
>>>>>>>> have a few themes in the repo under my name.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Christine Rondeau
>>>>>>>> Bluelime Media
>>>>>>>> www.bluelimemedia.com
>>>>>>>> twitter: @bluelimemedia
>>>>>>>> skype: bluelimemedia
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:31 AM, Srikanth Koneru <
>>>>>>>> tskk79 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  In recent discussion, its recommended not to bundle the plugin,
>>>>>>>>> if its bundled then it has to be reviewed too.
>>>>>>>>>  you work for cyberchimps too?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please don't beat yourself up, we have so many questions and
>>>>>>>>>> discussions going on and it ain't easy to keep up with all of them :-)
>>>>>>>>>>  On Jan 24, 2014 1:14 AM, "Christine Rondeau" <
>>>>>>>>>> christine at bluelimemedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ok good to know. I must have misread or thought I read about
>>>>>>>>>>> plugins not being allowed as part of the theme. I try to keep up with the
>>>>>>>>>>> list, but there's a bit too much sometimes . :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  I'll approve the theme then, since I think the rest is ok.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Christine Rondeau
>>>>>>>>>>> Bluelime Media
>>>>>>>>>>> www.bluelimemedia.com
>>>>>>>>>>> twitter: @bluelimemedia
>>>>>>>>>>> skype: bluelimemedia
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have any special guidelines about plugin being part of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Theme. It's recommended, but no it is not required. Many authors do :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Jan 24, 2014 1:00 AM, "Christine Rondeau" <
>>>>>>>>>>>> christine at bluelimemedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Just want to double check again, but I seem to recall that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> plugins CANNOT be bundled with themes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I'm reviewing a theme right now -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/16203#comment:4
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the theme works without the plugin and installing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> plugins is optional, but if you choose to install these, they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> downloaded directly from the theme.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I'm pretty sure that this is not allowed right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Christine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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