[theme-reviewers] GPL and limiting usage

[Josh Pollock]

@Trent- Whether or not it's your company's decision to not let this issue
die, it is you and Bryan that are not letting it die. End result-  *to me*
it feels like a CyberChimps effort to get Pagelines out of the theme repo.

I dislike Otto's point about this being an issue of tricky language, not a
violation of the GPL, but I think he's right. I think that sort of thing is
a bad business practice and I wouldn't buy from them and I wouldn't do
something similar in my own business. But again, that's separate from
whether or not my freedom to modify and redistribute their product is
infringed.


On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Trent Lapinski <trent at cyberchimps.com>wrote:

> "@Bryan- Maybe I missed it somewhere in the last few hundred emails, but
> are there any non-CyberChimps employees on this list who agree with you and
> @Trent?"
>
> Absolutely, many of which have replied to this thread, and the original
> thread. In fact, we didn't even start this debate someone else did.
>
> The only reason I personally got involved is because this was brought to
> me by people outside of CyberChimps who consulted with me and voiced their
> concerns to me personally because they knew I was well versed in this area.
>
> I've also personally received many e-mails, tweets, and other private
> communications from various people within the community who share these
> concerns but are afraid to voice them publicly because they don't want to
> argue with Otto, or Nacin. I can't blame them, I don't really want to argue
> with anyone either, this is not a productive use of my time at all.
>
> However,  I believe in the GPL, WordPress, and open source software
> philosophies and will defend them for the greater good of the community
> even if it means I have to argue with Otto who is someone I have the utmost
> respect for. I've learned a lot from Otto over the years, and continue to
> do so, and he's an amazing resource for this community. We potentially
> disagree on this one issue, but ultimately his ideals and mine are nearly
> identical.
>
> For me, this is a user rights issue, and I will always side with users who
> are not well versed on the inner-workings of how theme shops conduct
> business. When I see something like this I speak up for all of those who
> can't, thats just who I am, and I'm not going to apologize for it.
>
> As for Bryan, does he work for me? Absolutely, I'm not hiding that, but
> his opinions are his own and he's free to voice them, in fact I encourage
> it. This is a tough business to be in, and it's even harder when you play
> by the rules like we do, but we believe it is worth it which is why we've
> taken on this issue.
>
>    --Trent Lapinski
> =============
> CEO of CyberChimps Inc
>
> On Oct 9, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Josh Pollock <jpollock412 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> @Bryan- Maybe I missed it somewhere in the last few hundred emails, but
> are there any non-CyberChimps employees on this list who agree with you and
> @Trent?
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Bryan Hadaway <bhadaway at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *@Josh*
>>
>>
>> "I think CyberChimp's arguments could apply to Akismet."
>>
>> This has nothing to do with CyberChimps, this is a list discussion that
>> wasn't even started by us.
>>
>> It was started by Ünsal Korkmaz who I don't know and who has no
>> affiliation with CyberChimps.
>>
>> This isn't a CyberChimps vs PageLines issue, it's not even a PageLines
>> issue.
>>
>> It's an issue about the GPL and WP policy, DMS is just an example that
>> was part of the cause for this new precedent that clearly required
>> discussion. There are a lot of people that see issues here, independently
>> on their own that required no input from us.
>>
>> Please just look at the facts. I'm not a lawyer, I'm not an official in
>> these matters, that's why I contacted the GNU directly with my questions in
>> order to have a better understanding. You're all free to contact the GNU
>> about this issue too. Please do your research and actually read through the
>> entire discussion if you want to have a better understanding.
>>
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