[theme-reviewers] Tinymce button that only adds css codes.. still plugin territory?

[Ünsal Korkmaz]

>
> Let's back up a bit: why would <span class="foo bar"></span> be added to
> post content to begin with? What is the semantic meaning of such a
> container?


Seriously?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Span_and_div
In HTML <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML>, the *span* and *div*
elements<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML_element> are
used for generic organizational or stylistic applications, typically when
extant meaningful elements have exhausted their purpose.
*span* and *div* is not semantic.. its for design. Colors, boxes, icons are
not semantic.. Those are design that shows content better.

Are we talking about core-defined shortcodes or not? If they're defined in
> core, why do they need to be defined in the Theme?


 Original question:

> Hi,
> My theme:
> http://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/11437
> Theme is adding custom tinymce button that adds css code for design
> elements. There is no shortcode or something.. just css code.
> Its allowed in themes right?


There is a tinymce button added with theme. That button adds css code when
you click it. ITs not adding shortcode and esspecially i am saying its not
adding any shortcode. I NEVER said theme does not support any shortcode.
Theme is supporting 3 shortcode thats wordpress default shortcodes: audio,
video, gallery. Why did you link shortcodes file and said "aha there is
shortcode"? What is purpose here?


On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:

> Let's back up a bit: why would <span class="foo bar"></span> be added to
> post content to begin with? What is the semantic meaning of such a
> container?
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Daniel Tara <contact at onedesigns.com>wrote:
>
>> Speaking a bit more generally I believe there always be this conflict
>> between content generation and content presentation. Content generation is
>> plugin territory but if plugins also add their own styling what are the
>> chances that styling fits a random theme. I say not styled content is
>> better than ugly styled content. I think we should allow more middle ground
>> here.
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Ünsal Korkmaz wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for review but i mean tinymce does not adding shortcode, it
>> adds css code.
>> http://themes.svn.wordpress.org/firmasite/1.1.0/functions/shortcodes.php
>> Those shortcodes are wordpress's default shortcodes. audio, gallery,
>> video.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>wrote:
>>
>>> Hmm, actually, there *are* shortcodes:
>>> http://themes.svn.wordpress.org/firmasite/1.1.0/functions/shortcodes.php
>>>
>>> And this is definitely Plugin territory:
>>>
>>> http://themes.svn.wordpress.org/firmasite/1.1.0/functions/remove-comments-absolute.php
>>>
>>> And a good deal of this is Plugin territory:
>>> http://themes.svn.wordpress.org/firmasite/1.1.0/functions/fix.php
>>>
>>> And this is also probably Plugin territory (though a bit of a gray area):
>>>
>>> http://themes.svn.wordpress.org/firmasite/1.1.0/functions/custom-sharing-buttons.php
>>>
>>> http://themes.svn.wordpress.org/firmasite/1.1.0/functions/custom-facebook-comments.php
>>>
>>> But, for the TinyMCE buttons: my initial reaction would be to say that
>>> they also are probably Plugin territory. What do the buttons do? What do
>>> they add to the post content? Wrap selected content in <span class="foo
>>> bar"></span> tags? Sure, that degrades more gracefully than un-parsed
>>> shortcodes, but it would still result in a bunch of unused markup scattered
>>> throughout the user's posts after switching Themes. *Thus, I would say
>>> that the TinyMCE buttons are also Plugin territory*. I would recommend
>>> defining the *styles* for the CSS classes added via the TinyMCE buttons,
>>> but make the underlying TinyMCE button functionality itself a Plugin.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Chip
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Ünsal Korkmaz <unsalkorkmaz at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> My theme:
>>>> http://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/11437
>>>> Theme is adding custom tinymce button that adds css code for design
>>>> elements. There is no shortcode or something.. just css code.
>>>> Its allowed in themes right?
>>>>
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