[theme-reviewers] Theme author is asking end user to install less php

Sat Jul 6 22:36:15 UTC 2013

I bundle the LESS scripts in Opus Primus and then enqueue them
appropriately ... but I am also considering removing that code and library
altogether and merging the compiled LESS style sheet into the main theme
style sheet (it's actually rather small in my case).

Edward Caissie
aka Cais.

On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Simon Prosser <pross at pross.org.uk> wrote:

> Why not just bundle less.php in your theme files? You'd have to slightly
> edit it as it uses file get/put contents.
>
>
> On 4 July 2013 19:05, Josh Pollock <jpollock412 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> @emil-
>>
>> That's neat, I didn't know Jetpack does that. Just took a look at it real
>> quick, at least in Slim Jetpack it seems like it is a pretty
>> minimal implementation.
>>
>> Of course this is all kind of academic as I lack the PHP chops to write
>> said patch(s). I'm more wondering if it is remotely possible that it could
>> be accepted and therefore worth thinking about ways to get this done.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>
>>> Both LESS and Sass are available in WPCOM CSS Editor
>>> http://en.support.wordpress.com/custom-design/editing-css/
>>>
>>> However as of last year, both Less and Sass are available
>>> via Jetpack http://jetpack.me/2012/12/14/jetpack-2-0-3/
>>> with that said, the argument needs to be pretty good to
>>> get preprocessors in the core itself :)
>>>
>>> In my opinion whatever is in the Jetpack, will less likely
>>> be included in the core, but it does not hurt to try.
>>>
>>> Emil
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Josh Pollock <jpollock412 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd make the case that if it were included it could enable theme and
>>>> plugin developers to return option and theme mod values to SASS or LESS
>>>> stylesheets. Among other cool things, I'm imagining in the customizer,
>>>> instead of having a ton of color options, just setting a few options like
>>>> primary, secondary, accent, etc. and then in my SASS/LESS file doing
>>>> something like this:
>>>>
>>>> $colors = get_theme_mod('theme_options');
>>>> $primary = $colors['primary'];
>>>> $secondary = $colors['secondary'];
>>>> $accent = $colors['accent'];
>>>>
>>>> I actually could do something similar to this with wpless, but not
>>>> integrated with the customizer. That said, I don't want to make my theme
>>>> dependent on a plugin that I can't be sure of long-term development and
>>>> support for. Also, I'd rather use SASS instead of LESS.
>>>>
>>>> How's that argument? Not that I can back it with here's my patch...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No clue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it important enough to warrant someone arguing the case for
>>>>> inclusion?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Josh Pollock <jpollock412 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> @Chip
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you think there is any chance of a LESS or SASS preprocesser
>>>>>> getting accepted into core if it was submitted?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps a more ideal solution would be to submit a core ticket/patch
>>>>>>> to get a preprocessor in core? That way, core, Plugins, and Themes can rely
>>>>>>> on the core-bundled preprocessor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Until then, as Emil said: as long as the Theme works properly out of
>>>>>>> the box, it's fine for Themes to ship with options/integration to support a
>>>>>>> Plugin that adds a preprocessor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *I meant*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No need to rely or require WP-LESS*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If he ships the Theme with LESS as an additional (optional)
>>>>>>>>> feature and the Theme
>>>>>>>>> works out of the box as you and Chip mentioned, it's still good to
>>>>>>>>> go and acceptable :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No need to rely or require on WP-LESS.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Josh Pollock <
>>>>>>>>> jpollock412 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> @Divesh-
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you ship your theme with processed and unprocessed code, as
>>>>>>>>>> well as directions in your readme for using wpless with your theme then all
>>>>>>>>>> of the requirements (theme review guidelines and yours) will be met. That
>>>>>>>>>> way it works out of the box, but the end user knows you used wpless and how
>>>>>>>>>> to use it to modify your theme.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> even though if there's an option and the Theme works
>>>>>>>>>>> right without the preprocessors is not the reason to fail
>>>>>>>>>>> a Theme
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Amy Hendrix <sabreuse at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd say that both Sass and LESS files should be accepted
>>>>>>>>>>>> (because if
>>>>>>>>>>>> you're a Sass or LESS user, it's far preferable to make any
>>>>>>>>>>>> downstream
>>>>>>>>>>>> changes to the original files) -- but the theme should be
>>>>>>>>>>>> packaged
>>>>>>>>>>>> with compiled css, and not depend on running any preprocessing
>>>>>>>>>>>> live,
>>>>>>>>>>>> whether it's directly on the server or by way of a WP plugin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Emil, the tutorial you point to is about using preprocessors in
>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>> development environment and compiling out the finished css. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> original question was about requiring libraries to compile it
>>>>>>>>>>>> live on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the server, which should not be approved IMO (and which is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> terrible
>>>>>>>>>>>> idea for preprocessing performance, but that's a debate that's
>>>>>>>>>>>> way out
>>>>>>>>>>>> of scope for this list!)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I love preprocessors; I think it's the way of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> future
>>>>>>>>>>>> and I maintain a library for working with Sass and _s. But
>>>>>>>>>>>> asking
>>>>>>>>>>>> users to install extra libraries just to be able to use a theme
>>>>>>>>>>>> at all
>>>>>>>>>>>> is _doing_it_wrong().
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Both Sass and LESS preprocessor should be accepted.
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Not really sure if you need any extra PHP's for this.
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Take a look at this brief tut.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Jose Castaneda <
>>>>>>>>>>>> jomcastaneda at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> The thing to remember about the WordPress theme repo is that
>>>>>>>>>>>> not everybody
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> that will use your theme is a developer. More often than not
>>>>>>>>>>>> it is a person
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> with little to no knowledge of web development or
>>>>>>>>>>>> programming prowess. What
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I would do is include both the LESS files and the compiled
>>>>>>>>>>>> CSS and leave a
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> note on the readme file or put up some sort of notice.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 7:54 AM, divesh kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>> diveshkumar1983 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> hi greg
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> but if i use compiled css it will be just a plain css and
>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody would
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> get to know that its using lessphp.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Jul 4, 2013 5:15 PM, "Srikanth Koneru" <tskk79 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> The basic theme must function without depending on any
>>>>>>>>>>>> plugin. You can
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> have additional features which can come live if
>>>>>>>>>>>> plugins(that are required
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> for those features) are activated.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> If lessphp framework is allowed in themes, you can bundle
>>>>>>>>>>>> it with your
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> theme itself.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 4:52 PM, divesh kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>> diveshkumar1983 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Hi Kavita,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the reference. so that means user must install
>>>>>>>>>>>> that plugin
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> in order to use my theme. Can i create any kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>> dependency of my theme to
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> use this?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Kavita Kumawat <
>>>>>>>>>>>> erkavecb at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> you may want to check this.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> http://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-less/
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> -Kavita
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 3:34 PM, divesh kumar
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> <diveshkumar1983 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does that means I cannot use SASS or any other CSS
>>>>>>>>>>>> framework with
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> wordpress theme. I don't think this make sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Srikanth Koneru <
>>>>>>>>>>>> tskk79 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Themes should work out of the box.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 2:19 PM, carolina poena
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <myazalea at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ticket: http://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/12893
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In readme:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. Upload the `snAdaptive` folder to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> `/wp-content/themes/`
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> directory
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2. Download lessphp framework from
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://leafo.net/lessphp/src/lessphp-0.3.9.tar.gz.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 3. Extract it in the directory
>>>>>>>>>>>> themes/snAdaptive/lessphp.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 4. Make sure there is a file less.inc.php in directory
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> /themes/snAdaptive/lessphp/.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 5. Now you are ready to use the theme.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The theme will not be approved eitherway but this is
>>>>>>>>>>>> not ok right?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ^^
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> //Carolina
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
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