[theme-reviewers] Theme author is asking end user to install less php

Fri Jul 5 01:17:18 UTC 2013

Both LESS and Sass are available in WPCOM CSS Editor
http://en.support.wordpress.com/custom-design/editing-css/

However as of last year, both Less and Sass are available
via Jetpack http://jetpack.me/2012/12/14/jetpack-2-0-3/
with that said, the argument needs to be pretty good to
get preprocessors in the core itself :)

In my opinion whatever is in the Jetpack, will less likely
be included in the core, but it does not hurt to try.

Emil

On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Josh Pollock <jpollock412 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd make the case that if it were included it could enable theme and
> plugin developers to return option and theme mod values to SASS or LESS
> stylesheets. Among other cool things, I'm imagining in the customizer,
> instead of having a ton of color options, just setting a few options like
> primary, secondary, accent, etc. and then in my SASS/LESS file doing
> something like this:
>
> $colors = get_theme_mod('theme_options');
> $primary = $colors['primary'];
> $secondary = $colors['secondary'];
> $accent = $colors['accent'];
>
> I actually could do something similar to this with wpless, but not
> integrated with the customizer. That said, I don't want to make my theme
> dependent on a plugin that I can't be sure of long-term development and
> support for. Also, I'd rather use SASS instead of LESS.
>
> How's that argument? Not that I can back it with here's my patch...
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>
>> No clue.
>>
>> Is it important enough to warrant someone arguing the case for inclusion?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Josh Pollock <jpollock412 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> @Chip
>>>
>>> Do you think there is any chance of a LESS or SASS preprocesser getting
>>> accepted into core if it was submitted?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Perhaps a more ideal solution would be to submit a core ticket/patch to
>>>> get a preprocessor in core? That way, core, Plugins, and Themes can rely on
>>>> the core-bundled preprocessor.
>>>>
>>>> Until then, as Emil said: as long as the Theme works properly out of
>>>> the box, it's fine for Themes to ship with options/integration to support a
>>>> Plugin that adds a preprocessor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> *I meant*
>>>>>
>>>>> No need to rely or require WP-LESS*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If he ships the Theme with LESS as an additional (optional) feature
>>>>>> and the Theme
>>>>>> works out of the box as you and Chip mentioned, it's still good to go
>>>>>> and acceptable :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No need to rely or require on WP-LESS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Josh Pollock <jpollock412 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @Divesh-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you ship your theme with processed and unprocessed code, as well
>>>>>>> as directions in your readme for using wpless with your theme then all of
>>>>>>> the requirements (theme review guidelines and yours) will be met. That way
>>>>>>> it works out of the box, but the end user knows you used wpless and how to
>>>>>>> use it to modify your theme.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> even though if there's an option and the Theme works
>>>>>>>> right without the preprocessors is not the reason to fail
>>>>>>>> a Theme
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Amy Hendrix <sabreuse at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd say that both Sass and LESS files should be accepted (because
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> you're a Sass or LESS user, it's far preferable to make any
>>>>>>>>> downstream
>>>>>>>>> changes to the original files) -- but the theme should be packaged
>>>>>>>>> with compiled css, and not depend on running any preprocessing
>>>>>>>>> live,
>>>>>>>>> whether it's directly on the server or by way of a WP plugin.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Emil, the tutorial you point to is about using preprocessors in
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> development environment and compiling out the finished css. The
>>>>>>>>> original question was about requiring libraries to compile it live
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> the server, which should not be approved IMO (and which is a
>>>>>>>>> terrible
>>>>>>>>> idea for preprocessing performance, but that's a debate that's way
>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>> of scope for this list!)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Personally, I love preprocessors; I think it's the way of the
>>>>>>>>> future
>>>>>>>>> and I maintain a library for working with Sass and _s. But asking
>>>>>>>>> users to install extra libraries just to be able to use a theme at
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> is _doing_it_wrong().
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > Both Sass and LESS preprocessor should be accepted.
>>>>>>>>> > Not really sure if you need any extra PHP's for this.
>>>>>>>>> > Take a look at this brief tut.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Jose Castaneda <
>>>>>>>>> jomcastaneda at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> The thing to remember about the WordPress theme repo is that
>>>>>>>>> not everybody
>>>>>>>>> >> that will use your theme is a developer. More often than not it
>>>>>>>>> is a person
>>>>>>>>> >> with little to no knowledge of web development or programming
>>>>>>>>> prowess. What
>>>>>>>>> >> I would do is include both the LESS files and the compiled CSS
>>>>>>>>> and leave a
>>>>>>>>> >> note on the readme file or put up some sort of notice.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 7:54 AM, divesh kumar <
>>>>>>>>> diveshkumar1983 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> hi greg
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> but if i use compiled css it will be just a plain css and
>>>>>>>>> nobody would
>>>>>>>>> >>> get to know that its using lessphp.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> On Jul 4, 2013 5:15 PM, "Srikanth Koneru" <tskk79 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> The basic theme must function without depending on any
>>>>>>>>> plugin. You can
>>>>>>>>> >>>> have additional features which can come live if plugins(that
>>>>>>>>> are required
>>>>>>>>> >>>> for those features) are activated.
>>>>>>>>> >>>> If lessphp framework is allowed in themes, you can bundle it
>>>>>>>>> with your
>>>>>>>>> >>>> theme itself.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 4:52 PM, divesh kumar <
>>>>>>>>> diveshkumar1983 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Hi Kavita,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the reference. so that means user must install
>>>>>>>>> that plugin
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> in order to use my theme. Can i create any kind of
>>>>>>>>> dependency of my theme to
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> use this?
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Kavita Kumawat <
>>>>>>>>> erkavecb at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> you may want to check this.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> http://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-less/
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> -Kavita
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 3:34 PM, divesh kumar
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> <diveshkumar1983 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does that means I cannot use SASS or any other CSS
>>>>>>>>> framework with
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> wordpress theme. I don't think this make sense.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Srikanth Koneru <
>>>>>>>>> tskk79 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Themes should work out of the box.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 2:19 PM, carolina poena
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <myazalea at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ticket: http://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/12893
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In readme:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. Upload the `snAdaptive` folder to the
>>>>>>>>> `/wp-content/themes/`
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> directory
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2. Download lessphp framework from
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://leafo.net/lessphp/src/lessphp-0.3.9.tar.gz.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 3. Extract it in the directory themes/snAdaptive/lessphp.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 4. Make sure there is a file less.inc.php in directory
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> /themes/snAdaptive/lessphp/.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 5. Now you are ready to use the theme.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The theme will not be approved eitherway but this is not
>>>>>>>>> ok right?
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ^^
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> //Carolina
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
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