[theme-reviewers] Theme author is asking end user to install less php

Fri Jul 5 00:52:18 UTC 2013

I'd make the case that if it were included it could enable theme and plugin
developers to return option and theme mod values to SASS or LESS
stylesheets. Among other cool things, I'm imagining in the customizer,
instead of having a ton of color options, just setting a few options like
primary, secondary, accent, etc. and then in my SASS/LESS file doing
something like this:

$colors = get_theme_mod('theme_options');
$primary = $colors['primary'];
$secondary = $colors['secondary'];
$accent = $colors['accent'];

I actually could do something similar to this with wpless, but not
integrated with the customizer. That said, I don't want to make my theme
dependent on a plugin that I can't be sure of long-term development and
support for. Also, I'd rather use SASS instead of LESS.

How's that argument? Not that I can back it with here's my patch...

On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:

> No clue.
>
> Is it important enough to warrant someone arguing the case for inclusion?
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Josh Pollock <jpollock412 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> @Chip
>>
>> Do you think there is any chance of a LESS or SASS preprocesser getting
>> accepted into core if it was submitted?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps a more ideal solution would be to submit a core ticket/patch to
>>> get a preprocessor in core? That way, core, Plugins, and Themes can rely on
>>> the core-bundled preprocessor.
>>>
>>> Until then, as Emil said: as long as the Theme works properly out of the
>>> box, it's fine for Themes to ship with options/integration to support a
>>> Plugin that adds a preprocessor.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>
>>>> *I meant*
>>>>
>>>> No need to rely or require WP-LESS*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If he ships the Theme with LESS as an additional (optional) feature
>>>>> and the Theme
>>>>> works out of the box as you and Chip mentioned, it's still good to go
>>>>> and acceptable :)
>>>>>
>>>>> No need to rely or require on WP-LESS.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Josh Pollock <jpollock412 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> @Divesh-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you ship your theme with processed and unprocessed code, as well
>>>>>> as directions in your readme for using wpless with your theme then all of
>>>>>> the requirements (theme review guidelines and yours) will be met. That way
>>>>>> it works out of the box, but the end user knows you used wpless and how to
>>>>>> use it to modify your theme.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> even though if there's an option and the Theme works
>>>>>>> right without the preprocessors is not the reason to fail
>>>>>>> a Theme
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Amy Hendrix <sabreuse at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd say that both Sass and LESS files should be accepted (because if
>>>>>>>> you're a Sass or LESS user, it's far preferable to make any
>>>>>>>> downstream
>>>>>>>> changes to the original files) -- but the theme should be packaged
>>>>>>>> with compiled css, and not depend on running any preprocessing live,
>>>>>>>> whether it's directly on the server or by way of a WP plugin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Emil, the tutorial you point to is about using preprocessors in your
>>>>>>>> development environment and compiling out the finished css. The
>>>>>>>> original question was about requiring libraries to compile it live
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> the server, which should not be approved IMO (and which is a
>>>>>>>> terrible
>>>>>>>> idea for preprocessing performance, but that's a debate that's way
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> of scope for this list!)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Personally, I love preprocessors; I think it's the way of the future
>>>>>>>> and I maintain a library for working with Sass and _s. But asking
>>>>>>>> users to install extra libraries just to be able to use a theme at
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> is _doing_it_wrong().
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > Both Sass and LESS preprocessor should be accepted.
>>>>>>>> > Not really sure if you need any extra PHP's for this.
>>>>>>>> > Take a look at this brief tut.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Jose Castaneda <
>>>>>>>> jomcastaneda at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> The thing to remember about the WordPress theme repo is that not
>>>>>>>> everybody
>>>>>>>> >> that will use your theme is a developer. More often than not it
>>>>>>>> is a person
>>>>>>>> >> with little to no knowledge of web development or programming
>>>>>>>> prowess. What
>>>>>>>> >> I would do is include both the LESS files and the compiled CSS
>>>>>>>> and leave a
>>>>>>>> >> note on the readme file or put up some sort of notice.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 7:54 AM, divesh kumar <
>>>>>>>> diveshkumar1983 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> hi greg
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> but if i use compiled css it will be just a plain css and
>>>>>>>> nobody would
>>>>>>>> >>> get to know that its using lessphp.
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> On Jul 4, 2013 5:15 PM, "Srikanth Koneru" <tskk79 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> The basic theme must function without depending on any plugin.
>>>>>>>> You can
>>>>>>>> >>>> have additional features which can come live if plugins(that
>>>>>>>> are required
>>>>>>>> >>>> for those features) are activated.
>>>>>>>> >>>> If lessphp framework is allowed in themes, you can bundle it
>>>>>>>> with your
>>>>>>>> >>>> theme itself.
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 4:52 PM, divesh kumar <
>>>>>>>> diveshkumar1983 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>> Hi Kavita,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the reference. so that means user must install
>>>>>>>> that plugin
>>>>>>>> >>>>> in order to use my theme. Can i create any kind of dependency
>>>>>>>> of my theme to
>>>>>>>> >>>>> use this?
>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Kavita Kumawat <
>>>>>>>> erkavecb at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> you may want to check this.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> http://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-less/
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> -Kavita
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 3:34 PM, divesh kumar
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> <diveshkumar1983 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does that means I cannot use SASS or any other CSS
>>>>>>>> framework with
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> wordpress theme. I don't think this make sense.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Srikanth Koneru <
>>>>>>>> tskk79 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Themes should work out of the box.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 2:19 PM, carolina poena
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <myazalea at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ticket: http://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/12893
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In readme:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. Upload the `snAdaptive` folder to the
>>>>>>>> `/wp-content/themes/`
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> directory
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2. Download lessphp framework from
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://leafo.net/lessphp/src/lessphp-0.3.9.tar.gz.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 3. Extract it in the directory themes/snAdaptive/lessphp.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 4. Make sure there is a file less.inc.php in directory
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> /themes/snAdaptive/lessphp/.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 5. Now you are ready to use the theme.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The theme will not be approved eitherway but this is not
>>>>>>>> ok right?
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ^^
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> //Carolina
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
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