[theme-reviewers] Tags and description.

Thu Aug 22 23:27:42 UTC 2013

mobile-responsive and that includes both?
On Aug 22, 2013 5:46 PM, "Emil Uzelac" <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:

> Whatever is better. :-)
> On Aug 22, 2013 5:44 PM, "Chip Bennett" <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>
>> Remember: those tags are, primarily, for *users* rather than for
>> developers. To the end user: what's the tangible difference between
>> "responsive" and "adaptive"? In this case, "end user" could be both the
>> site owner (the one who chooses and installs the Theme) or the site visitor
>> (who would view the website via devices with various screen sizes).
>>
>> Do a developer, I agree 100% that the two terms have tangible, meaningful
>> differences.
>>
>> I'm just struggling to see how a user would see any difference
>> whatsoever. In both cases, the Theme is designed to work on devices with
>> variously small screen sizes.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Josh Pollock <jpollock412 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I agree and disagree with Chip. I agree we need to find the definition
>>> that is most useful to end users and two tags with the same definition is
>>> probably confusing. The problem is some end users are more sophisticated
>>> than others. Some know what responsive means, some don't. That said, we
>>> shouldn't equate the two, because they are different. GIve me a little time
>>> and I will propose some new definitions.
>>>
>>> @Ulrich We can't just add tags to the guidelines. They need to be
>>> supported by core. As part of the THX38 project this will most likely
>>> happening. I'm hoping to go to the next THX38 meeting with a list of tags
>>> that we, as theme reviewers, want added and feel like we can review
>>> properly.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm one of those people who doesn't know the difference between
>>>> "responsive" and "adaptive". Well, until just now, because I googled it<http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/web-designer/what-is-the-difference-between-responsive-vs-adaptive-web-design/>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> The TL;DR of that article:
>>>>
>>>> The distilled definition of a responsive web design is that it will *fluidly
>>>> change and respond** to fit any screen or device size*.
>>>>
>>>> The condensed definition of an adaptive design is that it *will change
>>>> to fit a predetermined set of screen and device sizes*.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From a user perspective, I see no benefit gained from differentiating
>>>> between the two. One is fluid; the other adjusts to predetermined
>>>> intermediate sizes.
>>>>
>>>> I would prefer to choose *one* term, e.g. "responsive", to apply to
>>>> both design implementations. But, we should choose the term that is most
>>>> meaningful/relevant to *users*. If "mobile-friendly" resonates more with
>>>> users, let's use that one. If "responsive", then let's use that.
>>>>
>>>> Then, having selected a term, create a meaningful definition that
>>>> captures both design implementations, such as: "layout changes to fit
>>>> various screen sizes".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Josh Pollock <jpollock412 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If we are going to get into potential Responsive and Adaptive tags,
>>>>> which we should I'd like to add a few things:
>>>>> I agree flex-width does not equal responsive.
>>>>> The thing about responsive and adaptive tags is no one knows the
>>>>> difference between the two and those who do are probably not those who we
>>>>> are trying to help with these tags. I'm wondering if we should have two
>>>>> tags per definition. IE if you qualify for "responsive", you also qualify
>>>>> for "mobile-friendly", and if you qualify for "adaptive" you also qualify
>>>>> for "mobile-optimized." I think the mobile-friendly and mobile-adaptive
>>>>> tags would be more useful to most end users that are less interested in a
>>>>> nerdish need of nerds, *like me*, to categorize according to the
>>>>> "correct term".
>>>>>
>>>>> So I'd like to propose that we call responsive/ mobile-friendly  "A
>>>>> theme with a layout that employs a fluid grid system that changes in
>>>>> response to screen size." and adaptive/ mobile-optimized: "A theme with
>>>>> that adapts its layout and functionality based on screen size and device
>>>>> type in order to optimize display and performance on mobile devices."
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a need to add a "mobile" tag for themes designed to be used
>>>>> only on mobile devices? I'm really not sure.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Big +1 for accessibility-ready.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chip is correct flex-width is not the same as Responsive or Adaptive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What @Konstantin noted yesterday about the tag being left from
>>>>>> WPCOM made me look over there again and maybe just maybe
>>>>>> we can copy what they have: "Responsive Layout"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/KsqXF01.png
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Ulrich Pogson <
>>>>>> grapplerulrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Amy, you are right. If this was added to the Theme-Check it would
>>>>>>> make life easier for us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is the GitHub link if anyone is intrested.
>>>>>>> https://github.com/Pross/theme-check
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have added Chip's comments to the table here. I still need
>>>>>>> feedback on "microformats" tag.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgFnu461m-SOdFlwS0cwWXVyRkJKeHVvY3pJbTIzc3c&usp=sharing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 22 August 2013 19:23, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> think that support for even a single post format (e.g. a Gallery
>>>>>>>>> Theme) is valid here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It depends if you count the default post format or not?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The "default" post format (i.e. "standard") is not actually a post
>>>>>>>> format. There is no "default" or "standard" term defined for the
>>>>>>>> post_format taxonomy. It is merely the fallback if no post format is
>>>>>>>> defined.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  (Note: "Text Domain" header tag is not used and not required; it
>>>>>>>>>> is information-only, and optional.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is used for translating the theme description and page template
>>>>>>>>> page. See this article<https://foxnet-themes.fi/2013/07/02/translating-custom-page-template-names/>.
>>>>>>>>> Responsive has the page templates translated in German if any one wants to
>>>>>>>>> test it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Huh; you learn something new every day!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (Otto/Pross: should this be added to Theme Check, as a corollary
>>>>>>>> test for add_theme_textdomain()?)
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