[theme-reviewers] splitting reviewers between queues
Chip Bennett
chip at chipbennett.net
Fri Jan 27 16:40:44 UTC 2012
Hmm... run with that. :) Throw out some ideas...
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Doug Stewart <zamoose at gmail.com> wrote:
> However, you'll note that Core recently started highlighting
> contributors in the Dashboard. Perhaps something along those lines...?
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>
> wrote:
> > Regarding the "badge" idea: I'm never one to prohibit something that my
> > provide incentive to others; that said: my general sense of the WordPress
> > project community/ecosystem is that the general philosophy/ethos is that
> > contributors contribute primarily for the inherent benefit of
> > contributing/giving back, rather than for any potential benefit in
> return.
> > That is to say: the WordPress "meritocracy" puts far more value in
> > contribution for its own sake than it does for contribution for the sake
> of
> > personal gain.
> >
> > So, I don't think the idea of "badges" or gift cards/financial incentives
> > would gain much traction. (The latter would certainly have to come from a
> > third party, I'm quite sure.)
> >
> > That said: the "patches welcome" mentality does provide a bit of
> > inspiration. Recently, someone created a Widget Plugin that allows users
> to
> > tout their most recent core patch commits:
> > http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wp-core-contributions-widget/
> >
> > I wonder if we couldn't pull similar data out of Trac, or out of the
> WPORG
> > user profile feed, to create a similar Widget for WPTRT contributions
> (i.e.
> > ticket closure count, or something?)
> >
> > Chip
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Edward Caissie <
> edward.caissie at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> An incentive idea would likely help to some degree, but to be quite
> honest
> >> a badge system needs to be policed ... as it has been noted there are
> many
> >> places you can find themes with "bad" code (base64, SEO spam, etc.) what
> >> would stop theme authors such as these from simply copying the badge
> image
> >> and posting it on their site?
> >>
> >> Personally I take very little stock in "badges" as they are simply much
> >> too easy to forge ... and since it is a perception idea being brought
> >> forward it would be ripe for these forgeries.
> >>
> >>
> >> Cais.
> >>
> >> PS: You might note I am in a "devil's advocate" kind of mood today.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Rankin, Matthew W. (Student)
> >> <mrankin at my.ccsu.edu> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There are many people ( myself included ) who review themes just for
> the
> >>> satisfaction of helping out WordPress. However, there are many people
> out
> >>> there who need a little more than that to review themes. Even just a
> thank
> >>> you and a WordPress badge to post up on their site would go a long way
> in
> >>> attracting more theme reviewers and getting more production out of less
> >>> active reviewers. The idea is fairly straight forward and easy to
> implement,
> >>> and has a proven record of success as you can see by looking at many
> other
> >>> websites around the web who use similar ideas.
> >>> ________________________________________
> >>> From: theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org
> >>> [theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org] on behalf of Simon
> Prosser
> >>> [pross at pross.org.uk]
> >>> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 9:09 AM
> >>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] splitting reviewers between queues
> >>>
> >>> What incentives? wordpress.org is a free organization and the theme
> >>> team volunteer the time to review themes in their spare time.
> >>> They all have regular jobs and lives as well.
> >>>
> >>> On 27 January 2012 13:41, Chandra Maharzan <maharzan at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > I haven't reviewed any themes but I do think this volunteer thing
> >>> > might need to go at some point. Have a dedicated team who reviews
> >>> > themes and they get incentives on each theme or something. Otherwise
> >>> > like a person said above, people are discouraged. I was when I
> >>> > submitted a theme about a year ago and it was reviewed in a long time
> >>> > and the same thing is happening now. And I have 2 themes in the repo,
> >>> > pretty popular ones. I am sure many designers feel like me.
> >>> >
> >>> > On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Phenomenoodle | Taryn Wallis
> >>> > <taryn at phenomenoodle.com> wrote:
> >>> >> Up until about 5 years ago (when I transitioned into web design
> >>> >> full-time) I
> >>> >> was an Organizational Psychologist - things like badges work well
> as a
> >>> >> motivational tool for some types of people, and absolutely not for
> >>> >> others.
> >>> >> I'm one of the others :)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> If there was a badge, I might consider putting it on my site, but it
> >>> >> would
> >>> >> have zero impact from an incentive point of view. I'm far more
> >>> >> internally
> >>> >> motivated, so external things like badges (or certificates etc) have
> >>> >> no real
> >>> >> meaning to me. In terms of theme reviews, I contribute because it
> >>> >> allows me
> >>> >> to give back to the community and to also learn from the experience
> -
> >>> >> if I'm
> >>> >> not able to do reviews, it's not because of lack of motivation, but
> >>> >> simply a
> >>> >> lack of time :(
> >>> >>
> >>> >> ______________________________
> >>> >> Taryn Wallis
> >>> >> Phenomenoodle
> >>> >> WordPress design & development
> >>> >> www.phenomenoodle.com
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Netzberufler
> >>> >> <netzberufler at googlemail.com>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I find Badges are a great idea. They should also be included into
> the
> >>> >>> WordPress Profile Pages. http://profiles.wordpress.org/users/ or
> >>> >>> http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/profile/ . BTW why are there
> >>> >>> different
> >>> >>> profile pages on wordpress.org?
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I currently don't review themes cause of my exams but I will begin
> >>> >>> reviewing again in 2 weeks ;)
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> 2012/1/26 Rankin, Matthew W. (Student) <mrankin at my.ccsu.edu>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>> Not directly related to this email thread but seems like a good
> >>> >>>> place to
> >>> >>>> post it. I was thinking about why there aren't more volunteer
> >>> >>>> reviewers and
> >>> >>>> why many are slow to review themes. I think it may be because it
> >>> >>>> lacks
> >>> >>>> incentive. So, I had an idea which may attract more reviewers and
> >>> >>>> increase
> >>> >>>> productivity among current reviewers. My idea is to create a
> >>> >>>> WordPress
> >>> >>>> badge. Theme reviewers can post this badge on their own websites
> to
> >>> >>>> say that
> >>> >>>> they contribute to WordPress. You could even create different
> levels
> >>> >>>> of
> >>> >>>> badges so as you review more themes you get higher level badges.
> >>> >>>> It's a
> >>> >>>> simple idea which has proven effective on many websites around the
> >>> >>>> web. What
> >>> >>>> does everyone else think of this idea?
> >>> >>>> ________________________________
> >>> >>>> From: theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org
> >>> >>>> [theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org] on behalf of
> Rankin,
> >>> >>>> Matthew
> >>> >>>> W. (Student) [mrankin at my.ccsu.edu]
> >>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:49 PM
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
> >>> >>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] splitting reviewers between queues
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> I'll do my best to follow your lead Chip. I've just been so busy
> >>> >>>> lately I
> >>> >>>> haven't had time to do many reviews. But I should be able to fit
> in
> >>> >>>> one
> >>> >>>> theme a day.
> >>> >>>> ________________________________
> >>> >>>> From: theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org
> >>> >>>> [theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org] on behalf of Chip
> >>> >>>> Bennett
> >>> >>>> [chip at chipbennett.net]
> >>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:31 PM
> >>> >>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
> >>> >>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] splitting reviewers between queues
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> I don't think a paradigm shift is necessary (or helpful) at this
> >>> >>>> point.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> The bottom line is: about 10 tickets per day are submitted. Thus,
> we
> >>> >>>> need
> >>> >>>> about 10 tickets per day reviewed and closed, in order to keep up
> >>> >>>> with the
> >>> >>>> submission rate. We are approaching 100 people who have reviewed
> >>> >>>> Themes. If
> >>> >>>> every person with ticket privileges reviewed two tickets, we would
> >>> >>>> exhaust
> >>> >>>> the current queue entirely.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> I've tried to push in the past to get reviewers to consider
> >>> >>>> committing to
> >>> >>>> a certain minimum level of participation, but as you've noted:
> it's
> >>> >>>> not
> >>> >>>> practical. We ARE all volunteers, and all have extremely busy
> >>> >>>> schedules. (I
> >>> >>>> last saw a "40-hour work week" sometime last summer.) Efforts to
> get
> >>> >>>> such
> >>> >>>> commitments inevitably have the opposite effect, as IMX they have
> >>> >>>> only
> >>> >>>> driven volunteers AWAY from contributing their time.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> That said: I'll do my best to lead by example. I will commit to
> >>> >>>> reviewing
> >>> >>>> one Theme per day, every day.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Chip
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Edward Caissie
> >>> >>>> <edward.caissie at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Although it shouldn't need to be written, but once again it
> appears
> >>> >>>>> a
> >>> >>>>> reminder appears to be needed ...
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> To the best of my knowledge, every member of the current Theme
> >>> >>>>> Review
> >>> >>>>> Team is a volunteer. Every member also has a "full work load"
> with
> >>> >>>>> many
> >>> >>>>> simply unable to devote any time to this volunteer activity
> during
> >>> >>>>> that
> >>> >>>>> scheduled time. Many of the volunteers have other additional
> >>> >>>>> WordPress
> >>> >>>>> related activities that add to their typical "40-hour week" work
> >>> >>>>> load. We
> >>> >>>>> all have lives, too ... so, quite simply, we give what time we
> can
> >>> >>>>> and look
> >>> >>>>> to the community to contribute some of their time. Wait times, as
> >>> >>>>> noted many
> >>> >>>>> times, are inversely proportional to the amount of volunteer
> >>> >>>>> reviewers
> >>> >>>>> available to do the work.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> We can appreciate the wait time is long and frustrating. This is
> >>> >>>>> not the
> >>> >>>>> only time this topic has been discussed, these are not the only
> >>> >>>>> ideas that
> >>> >>>>> have been considered. Unfortunately until their is perhaps a
> >>> >>>>> paradigm shift
> >>> >>>>> in regards to the WPTRT we may simply be forced to continue to
> >>> >>>>> endure and
> >>> >>>>> forge ahead under these conditions.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Cais.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Bruce Wampler
> >>> >>>>> <weavertheme at gmail.com>
> >>> >>>>> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> I would like to add my perspective on the review process.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> I have been submitting one theme - with revisions and slight
> name
> >>> >>>>>> modifications - for almost two years now - starting with 2010
> >>> >>>>>> Weaver,
> >>> >>>>>> changed to simply Weaver, and now Weaver II.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Because Weaver II is a name change, and represents a total
> rewrite
> >>> >>>>>> of
> >>> >>>>>> Weaver, it has been in the Priority Queue for almost 3 months
> now.
> >>> >>>>>> I've just
> >>> >>>>>> been sitting here waiting my turn.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> But seriously - three months for new themes? The past week, the
> >>> >>>>>> review
> >>> >>>>>> rate has been only one new theme reviewed.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> It is important to keep existing themes up to date - but to
> >>> >>>>>> essentially
> >>> >>>>>> have the new theme approval rate one a week will do nothing to
> >>> >>>>>> encourage
> >>> >>>>>> authors to submit new themes.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> I had good reasons to change from Weaver to Weaver II, and
> perhaps
> >>> >>>>>> should have requested it be treated as a revision of the
> existing
> >>> >>>>>> approved
> >>> >>>>>> theme. But I don know if I knew three months ago, that I likely
> >>> >>>>>> would have
> >>> >>>>>> done things differently, including the possibility of simply
> >>> >>>>>> abandoning the
> >>> >>>>>> WP theme repository.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> But Weaver II represents a cutting edge theme/framework that has
> >>> >>>>>> (or
> >>> >>>>>> had three months ago) really new features, including what I
> think
> >>> >>>>>> is likely
> >>> >>>>>> the best mobile support of any WP theme. It is really
> frustrating
> >>> >>>>>> to see it
> >>> >>>>>> languish in the queue.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> I just think a almost three month wait is excessive, and will
> >>> >>>>>> seriously
> >>> >>>>>> discourage developers from developing and submitting new themes.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> The discussion of new 3.4 features seems almost silly since if
> the
> >>> >>>>>> new
> >>> >>>>>> queue theme stays at several months, it is likely that there
> won't
> >>> >>>>>> be any
> >>> >>>>>> new themes.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> I believe is really important to keep fresh, new themes with
> >>> >>>>>> cutting
> >>> >>>>>> edge features coming in for the future health of WordPress.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Just some thoughts. I believe something needs to be done. I'd
> >>> >>>>>> volunteer
> >>> >>>>>> to review some themes, but I have serious ethical concerns about
> >>> >>>>>> that, as
> >>> >>>>>> well as a full work load supporting my theme which has become
> very
> >>> >>>>>> popular
> >>> >>>>>> on its own while waiting on the queue.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Bruce Wampler
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>> >>>>>> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
> >>> >>>>>> http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>
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