[theme-reviewers] theme-reviewers Digest, Vol 20, Issue 60
Chip Bennett
chip at chipbennett.net
Fri Jan 27 15:43:40 UTC 2012
Just to clarify: WPORG is *NOT* part of Automattic. They are entirely
separate entities.
The WordPress project is under the direction/control/ownership of the
non-profit WordPress Foundation. Automattic is a commercial venture that
owns, among other things, WordPress.com. The primary connection between the
two is, of course, Matt Mullenweg; but they are, in fact, entirely separate.
If Automattic really wanted to "invest" in the Theme Review Team, I would
suggest having their "Theme Wranglers" pitching in to perform Theme
reviews. :)
Chip
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Chandra Maharzan <maharzan at gmail.com>wrote:
> Cool.. I am just pitching to see if money incentives would work for
> both reviewers and in turn to designers who wait 2 or 3 months to get
> reviewed (which is frustrating, of course as you know). I don't blame
> anyone as its a free thing. I thought .org being a part of Automattic
> (correct me if I am wrong) could just "invest" a bit so we really get
> great themes on the .org as well (not saying it doesn't have). But as
> you said, if this is purely free thing, I take it all back. :-)
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Nitin Reddy <k_nitin_r at yahoo.co.in>
> wrote:
> > Chandra Maharzan,
> >
> > It is not only the theme authors but also the theme reviewers who get
> > discouraged at times. I reviewed the theme listed on my first ticket and
> > should have been able to assign myself to another ticket (new version of
> the
> > theme). However, there was a problem with my Trac account and I'm not
> able
> > to assign the ticket for the new (fixed) version of the theme to myself
> or
> > close the original ticket so both the theme author and I are looking at
> our
> > spent efforts yielding no fruit for the community.
> >
> > I did try posting to the mailing list and contact some of the folks
> > associated with the WP theme repository, but I didn't get any help yet.
> At
> > this point, Emil sees my user account listed as a theme reviewer account
> (or
> > something along those lines), my account doesn't let me assign the
> ticket to
> > myself or close the old ticket, and the theme author is awaiting the
> > approval after having made the fixes to his/her theme.
> >
> > The problem is not about volunteers lacking dedication - many, if not
> most,
> > are dedicated to helping out the community. The problem is about not
> being
> > able to help the volunteers when the process or system (Trac, in my case)
> > breaks down. I can review at least 3 themes a week. That works out to
> about
> > 14 themes in a month. With 10 volunteers, we can have 140 themes
> reviewed in
> > a month!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Nitin Reddy
> >
> > ________________________________
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> > To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
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> > Subject: theme-reviewers Digest, Vol 20, Issue 60
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> >
> > 1. Re: splitting reviewers between queues (Chandra Maharzan)
> > 2. Re: splitting reviewers between queues (Simon Prosser)
> > 3. Re: splitting reviewers between queues
> > (Rankin, Matthew W. (Student))
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:26:31 +0545
> > From: Chandra Maharzan <maharzan at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] splitting reviewers between queues
> > To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> > I haven't reviewed any themes but I do think this volunteer thing
> > might need to go at some point. Have a dedicated team who reviews
> > themes and they get incentives on each theme or something. Otherwise
> > like a person said above, people are discouraged. I was when I
> > submitted a theme about a year ago and it was reviewed in a long time
> > and the same thing is happening now. And I have 2 themes in the repo,
> > pretty popular ones. I am sure many designers feel like me.
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Phenomenoodle | Taryn Wallis
> > <taryn at phenomenoodle.com> wrote:
> >> Up until about 5 years ago (when I transitioned into web design
> full-time)
> >> I
> >> was an Organizational Psychologist - things like badges work well as a
> >> motivational tool for some types of people, and absolutely not for
> others.
> >> I'm one of the others :)
> >>
> >> If there was a badge, I might consider putting it on my site, but it
> would
> >> have zero impact from an incentive point of view. I'm far more
> internally
> >> motivated, so external things like badges (or certificates etc) have no
> >> real
> >> meaning to me. In terms of theme reviews, I contribute because it allows
> >> me
> >> to give back to the community and to also learn from the experience - if
> >> I'm
> >> not able to do reviews, it's not because of lack of motivation, but
> simply
> >> a
> >> lack of time :(
> >>
> >> ______________________________
> >> Taryn Wallis
> >> Phenomenoodle
> >> WordPress design & development
> >> www.phenomenoodle.com
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Netzberufler
> >> <netzberufler at googlemail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I find Badges are a great idea. They should also be included into the
> >>> WordPress Profile Pages. http://profiles.wordpress.org/users/ or
> >>> http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/profile/ . BTW why are there
> different
> >>> profile pages on wordpress.org?
> >>>
> >>> I currently don't review themes cause of my exams but I will begin
> >>> reviewing again in 2 weeks ;)
> >>>
> >>> 2012/1/26 Rankin, Matthew W. (Student) <mrankin at my.ccsu.edu>
> >>>
> >>>> Not directly related to this email thread but seems like a good place
> to
> >>>> post it. I was thinking about why there aren't more volunteer
> reviewers
> >>>> and
> >>>> why many are slow to review themes. I think it may be because it lacks
> >>>> incentive. So, I had an idea which may attract more reviewers and
> >>>> increase
> >>>> productivity among current reviewers. My idea is to create a WordPress
> >>>> badge. Theme reviewers can post this badge on their own websites to
> say
> >>>> that
> >>>> they contribute to WordPress. You could even create different levels
> of
> >>>> badges so as you review more themes you get higher level badges. It's
> a
> >>>> simple idea which has proven effective on many websites around the
> web.
> >>>> What
> >>>> does everyone else think of this idea?
> >>>> ________________________________
> >>>> From: theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org
> >>>> [theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org] on behalf of Rankin,
> >>>> Matthew
> >>>> W. (Student) [mrankin at my.ccsu.edu]
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:49 PM
> >>>>
> >>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] splitting reviewers between queues
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll do my best to follow your lead Chip. I've just been so busy
> lately
> >>>> I
> >>>> haven't had time to do many reviews. But I should be able to fit in
> one
> >>>> theme a day.
> >>>> ________________________________
> >>>> From: theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org
> >>>> [theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org] on behalf of Chip
> Bennett
> >>>> [chip at chipbennett.net]
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:31 PM
> >>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] splitting reviewers between queues
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't think a paradigm shift is necessary (or helpful) at this
> point.
> >>>>
> >>>> The bottom line is: about 10 tickets per day are submitted. Thus, we
> >>>> need
> >>>> about 10 tickets per day reviewed and closed, in order to keep up with
> >>>> the
> >>>> submission rate. We are approaching 100 people who have reviewed
> Themes.
> >>>> If
> >>>> every person with ticket privileges reviewed two tickets, we would
> >>>> exhaust
> >>>> the current queue entirely.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've tried to push in the past to get reviewers to consider committing
> >>>> to
> >>>> a certain minimum level of participation, but as you've noted: it's
> not
> >>>> practical. We ARE all volunteers, and all have extremely busy
> schedules.
> >>>> (I
> >>>> last saw a "40-hour work week" sometime last summer.) Efforts to get
> >>>> such
> >>>> commitments inevitably have the opposite effect, as IMX they have only
> >>>> driven volunteers AWAY from contributing their time.
> >>>>
> >>>> That said: I'll do my best to lead by example. I will commit to
> >>>> reviewing
> >>>> one Theme per day, every day.
> >>>>
> >>>> Chip
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Edward Caissie
> >>>> <edward.caissie at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Although it shouldn't need to be written, but once again it appears a
> >>>>> reminder appears to be needed ...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To the best of my knowledge, every member of the current Theme Review
> >>>>> Team is a volunteer. Every member also has a "full work load" with
> many
> >>>>> simply unable to devote any time to this volunteer activity during
> that
> >>>>> scheduled time. Many of the volunteers have other additional
> WordPress
> >>>>> related activities that add to their typical "40-hour week" work
> load.
> >>>>> We
> >>>>> all have lives, too ... so, quite simply, we give what time we can
> and
> >>>>> look
> >>>>> to the community to contribute some of their time. Wait times, as
> noted
> >>>>> many
> >>>>> times, are inversely proportional to the amount of volunteer
> reviewers
> >>>>> available to do the work.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We can appreciate the wait time is long and frustrating. This is not
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> only time this topic has been discussed, these are not the only ideas
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> have been considered. Unfortunately until their is perhaps a paradigm
> >>>>> shift
> >>>>> in regards to the WPTRT we may simply be forced to continue to endure
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> forge ahead under these conditions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cais.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Bruce Wampler <
> weavertheme at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I would like to add my perspective on the review process.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have been submitting one theme - with revisions and slight name
> >>>>>> modifications - for almost two years now - starting with 2010
> Weaver,
> >>>>>> changed to simply Weaver, and now Weaver II.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Because Weaver II is a name change, and represents a total rewrite
> of
> >>>>>> Weaver, it has been in the Priority Queue for almost 3 months now.
> >>>>>> I've just
> >>>>>> been sitting here waiting my turn.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But seriously - three months for new themes? The past week, the
> review
> >>>>>> rate has been only one new theme reviewed.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It is important to keep existing themes up to date - but to
> >>>>>> essentially
> >>>>>> have the new theme approval rate one a week will do nothing to
> >>>>>> encourage
> >>>>>> authors to submit new themes.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I had good reasons to change from Weaver to Weaver II, and perhaps
> >>>>>> should have requested it be treated as a revision of the existing
> >>>>>> approved
> >>>>>> theme. But I don know if I knew three months ago, that I likely
> would
> >>>>>> have
> >>>>>> done things differently, including the possibility of simply
> >>>>>> abandoning the
> >>>>>> WP theme repository.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But Weaver II represents a cutting edge theme/framework that has (or
> >>>>>> had three months ago) really new features, including what I think is
> >>>>>> likely
> >>>>>> the best mobile support of any WP theme. It is really frustrating to
> >>>>>> see it
> >>>>>> languish in the queue.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I just think a almost three month wait is excessive, and will
> >>>>>> seriously
> >>>>>> discourage developers from developing and submitting new themes.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The discussion of new 3.4 features seems almost silly since if the
> new
> >>>>>> queue theme stays at several months, it is likely that there won't
> be
> >>>>>> any
> >>>>>> new themes.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I believe is really important to keep fresh, new themes with cutting
> >>>>>> edge features coming in for the future health of WordPress.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just some thoughts. I believe something needs to be done. I'd
> >>>>>> volunteer
> >>>>>> to review some themes, but I have serious ethical concerns about
> that,
> >>>>>> as
> >>>>>> well as a full work load supporting my theme which has become very
> >>>>>> popular
> >>>>>> on its own while waiting on the queue.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Bruce Wampler
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> theme-reviewers mailing list
> >>>>>> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
> >>>>>> http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> theme-reviewers mailing list
> >>>>> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
> >>>>> http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> theme-reviewers mailing list
> >>>> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
> >>>> http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> theme-reviewers mailing list
> >>> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
> >>> http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> theme-reviewers mailing list
> >> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
> >> http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > cmans
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:09:37 +0000
> > From: Simon Prosser <pross at pross.org.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] splitting reviewers between queues
> > To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAKwUDf0hydH4Pzj2gQ3Yq6o+TTo_Rk0eWnVjPSXKD1C9Wz0oNg at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > What incentives? wordpress.org is a free organization and the theme
> > team volunteer the time to review themes in their spare time.
> > They all have regular jobs and lives as well.
> >
> > On 27 January 2012 13:41, Chandra Maharzan <maharzan at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I haven't reviewed any themes but I do think ?this volunteer thing
> >> might need to go at some point. Have a dedicated team who reviews
> >> themes and they get incentives on each theme or something. Otherwise
> >> like a person said above, people are discouraged. I was when I
> >> submitted a theme about a year ago and it was reviewed in a long time
> >> and the same thing is happening now. And I have 2 themes in the repo,
> >> pretty popular ones. I am sure many designers feel like me.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Phenomenoodle | Taryn Wallis
> >> <taryn at phenomenoodle.com> wrote:
> >>> Up until about 5 years ago (when I transitioned into web design
> >>> full-time) I
> >>> was an Organizational Psychologist - things like badges work well as a
> >>> motivational tool for some types of people, and absolutely not for
> >>> others.
> >>> I'm one of the others :)
> >>>
> >>> If there was a badge, I might consider putting it on my site, but it
> >>> would
> >>> have zero impact from an incentive point of view. I'm far more
> internally
> >>> motivated, so external things like badges (or certificates etc) have no
> >>> real
> >>> meaning to me. In terms of theme reviews, I contribute because it
> allows
> >>> me
> >>> to give back to the community and to also learn from the experience -
> if
> >>> I'm
> >>> not able to do reviews, it's not because of lack of motivation, but
> >>> simply a
> >>> lack of time :(
> >>>
> >>> ______________________________
> >>> Taryn Wallis
> >>> Phenomenoodle
> >>> WordPress design & development
> >>> www.phenomenoodle.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Netzberufler
> >>> <netzberufler at googlemail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I find Badges are a great idea. They should also be included into the
> >>>> WordPress Profile Pages. http://profiles.wordpress.org/users/ or
> >>>> http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/profile/ . BTW why are there
> >>>> different
> >>>> profile pages on wordpress.org?
> >>>>
> >>>> I currently don't review themes cause of my exams but I will begin
> >>>> reviewing again in 2 weeks ;)
> >>>>
> >>>> 2012/1/26 Rankin, Matthew W. (Student) <mrankin at my.ccsu.edu>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Not directly related to this email thread but seems like a good place
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> post it. I was thinking about why there aren't more volunteer
> reviewers
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> why many are slow to review themes. I think it may be because it
> lacks
> >>>>> incentive. So, I had an idea which may attract more reviewers and
> >>>>> increase
> >>>>> productivity among current reviewers. My idea is to create a
> WordPress
> >>>>> badge. Theme reviewers can post this badge on their own websites to
> say
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> they contribute to WordPress. You could even create different levels
> of
> >>>>> badges so as you review more themes you get higher level badges.
> It's a
> >>>>> simple idea which has proven effective on many websites around the
> web.
> >>>>> What
> >>>>> does everyone else think of this idea?
> >>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>> From: theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org
> >>>>> [theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org] on behalf of Rankin,
> >>>>> Matthew
> >>>>> W. (Student) [mrankin at my.ccsu.edu]
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:49 PM
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] splitting reviewers between queues
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'll do my best to follow your lead Chip. I've just been so busy
> lately
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> haven't had time to do many reviews. But I should be able to fit in
> one
> >>>>> theme a day.
> >>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>> From: theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org
> >>>>> [theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org] on behalf of Chip
> Bennett
> >>>>> [chip at chipbennett.net]
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:31 PM
> >>>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] splitting reviewers between queues
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't think a paradigm shift is necessary (or helpful) at this
> point.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The bottom line is: about 10 tickets per day are submitted. Thus, we
> >>>>> need
> >>>>> about 10 tickets per day reviewed and closed, in order to keep up
> with
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> submission rate. We are approaching 100 people who have reviewed
> >>>>> Themes. If
> >>>>> every person with ticket privileges reviewed two tickets, we would
> >>>>> exhaust
> >>>>> the current queue entirely.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've tried to push in the past to get reviewers to consider
> committing
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> a certain minimum level of participation, but as you've noted: it's
> not
> >>>>> practical. We ARE all volunteers, and all have extremely busy
> >>>>> schedules. (I
> >>>>> last saw a "40-hour work week" sometime last summer.) Efforts to get
> >>>>> such
> >>>>> commitments inevitably have the opposite effect, as IMX they have
> only
> >>>>> driven volunteers AWAY from contributing their time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That said: I'll do my best to lead by example. I will commit to
> >>>>> reviewing
> >>>>> one Theme per day, every day.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Chip
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Edward Caissie
> >>>>> <edward.caissie at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Although it shouldn't need to be written, but once again it appears
> a
> >>>>>> reminder appears to be needed ...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> To the best of my knowledge, every member of the current Theme
> Review
> >>>>>> Team is a volunteer. Every member also has a "full work load" with
> >>>>>> many
> >>>>>> simply unable to devote any time to this volunteer activity during
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> scheduled time. Many of the volunteers have other additional
> WordPress
> >>>>>> related activities that add to their typical "40-hour week" work
> load.
> >>>>>> We
> >>>>>> all have lives, too ... so, quite simply, we give what time we can
> and
> >>>>>> look
> >>>>>> to the community to contribute some of their time. Wait times, as
> >>>>>> noted many
> >>>>>> times, are inversely proportional to the amount of volunteer
> reviewers
> >>>>>> available to do the work.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We can appreciate the wait time is long and frustrating. This is not
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> only time this topic has been discussed, these are not the only
> ideas
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> have been considered. Unfortunately until their is perhaps a
> paradigm
> >>>>>> shift
> >>>>>> in regards to the WPTRT we may simply be forced to continue to
> endure
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> forge ahead under these conditions.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cais.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Bruce Wampler
> >>>>>> <weavertheme at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I would like to add my perspective on the review process.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have been submitting one theme - with revisions and slight name
> >>>>>>> modifications - for almost two years now - starting with 2010
> Weaver,
> >>>>>>> changed to simply Weaver, and now Weaver II.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Because Weaver II is a name change, and represents a total rewrite
> of
> >>>>>>> Weaver, it has been in the Priority Queue for almost 3 months now.
> >>>>>>> I've just
> >>>>>>> been sitting here waiting my turn.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But seriously - three months for new themes? The past week, the
> >>>>>>> review
> >>>>>>> rate has been only one new theme reviewed.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It is important to keep existing themes up to date - but to
> >>>>>>> essentially
> >>>>>>> have the new theme approval rate one a week will do nothing to
> >>>>>>> encourage
> >>>>>>> authors to submit new themes.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I had good reasons to change from Weaver to Weaver II, and perhaps
> >>>>>>> should have requested it be treated as a revision of the existing
> >>>>>>> approved
> >>>>>>> theme. But I don know if I knew three months ago, that I likely
> would
> >>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>> done things differently, including the possibility of simply
> >>>>>>> abandoning the
> >>>>>>> WP theme repository.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But Weaver II represents a cutting edge theme/framework that has
> (or
> >>>>>>> had three months ago) really new features, including what I think
> is
> >>>>>>> likely
> >>>>>>> the best mobile support of any WP theme. It is really frustrating
> to
> >>>>>>> see it
> >>>>>>> languish in the queue.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I just think a almost three month wait is excessive, and will
> >>>>>>> seriously
> >>>>>>> discourage developers from developing and submitting new themes.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The discussion of new 3.4 features seems almost silly since if the
> >>>>>>> new
> >>>>>>> queue theme stays at several months, it is likely that there won't
> be
> >>>>>>> any
> >>>>>>> new themes.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I believe is really important to keep fresh, new themes with
> cutting
> >>>>>>> edge features coming in for the future health of WordPress.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Just some thoughts. I believe something needs to be done. I'd
> >>>>>>> volunteer
> >>>>>>> to review some themes, but I have serious ethical concerns about
> >>>>>>> that, as
> >>>>>>> well as a full work load supporting my theme which has become very
> >>>>>>> popular
> >>>>>>> on its own while waiting on the queue.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Bruce Wampler
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>> theme-reviewers mailing list
> >>>>>>> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
> >>>>>>> http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> theme-reviewers mailing list
> >>>>>> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
> >>>>>> http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> theme-reviewers mailing list
> >>>>> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
> >>>>> http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> theme-reviewers mailing list
> >>>> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
> >>>> http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> theme-reviewers mailing list
> >>> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
> >>> http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> cmans
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> theme-reviewers mailing list
> >> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
> >> http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > My Blog: http://pross.org.uk/
> > Plugins : http://pross.org.uk/plugins/
> > Themes: http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/profile/pross
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:41:05 +0000
> > From: "Rankin, Matthew W. (Student)" <mrankin at my.ccsu.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] splitting reviewers between queues
> > To: "theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org"
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> > There are many people ( myself included ) who review themes just for the
> > satisfaction of helping out WordPress. However, there are many people out
> > there who need a little more than that to review themes. Even just a
> thank
> > you and a WordPress badge to post up on their site would go a long way in
> > attracting more theme reviewers and getting more production out of less
> > active reviewers. The idea is fairly straight forward and easy to
> implement,
> > and has a proven record of success as you can see by looking at many
> other
> > websites around the web who use similar ideas.
> > ________________________________________
> > From: theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org
> > [theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org] on behalf of Simon Prosser
> > [pross at pross.org.uk]
> > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 9:09 AM
> > To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
> > Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] splitting reviewers between queues
> >
> > What incentives? wordpress.org is a free organization and the theme
> > team volunteer the time to review themes in their spare time.
> > They all have regular jobs and lives as well.
> >
> > On 27 January 2012 13:41, Chandra Maharzan <maharzan at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I haven't reviewed any themes but I do think this volunteer thing
> >> might need to go at some point. Have a dedicated team who reviews
> >> themes and they get incentives on each theme or something. Otherwise
> >> like a person said above, people are discouraged. I was when I
> >> submitted a theme about a year ago and it was reviewed in a long time
> >> and the same thing is happening now. And I have 2 themes in the repo,
> >> pretty popular ones. I am sure many designers feel like me.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Phenomenoodle | Taryn Wallis
> >> <taryn at phenomenoodle.com> wrote:
> >>> Up until about 5 years ago (when I transitioned into web design
> >>> full-time) I
> >>> was an Organizational Psychologist - things like badges work well as a
> >>> motivational tool for some types of people, and absolutely not for
> >>> others.
> >>> I'm one of the others :)
> >>>
> >>> If there was a badge, I might consider putting it on my site, but it
> >>> would
> >>> have zero impact from an incentive point of view. I'm far more
> internally
> >>> motivated, so external things like badges (or certificates etc) have no
> >>> real
> >>> meaning to me. In terms of theme reviews, I contribute because it
> allows
> >>> me
> >>> to give back to the community and to also learn from the experience -
> if
> >>> I'm
> >>> not able to do reviews, it's not because of lack of motivation, but
> >>> simply a
> >>> lack of time :(
> >>>
> >>> ______________________________
> >>> Taryn Wallis
> >>> Phenomenoodle
> >>> WordPress design & development
> >>> www.phenomenoodle.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Netzberufler
> >>> <netzberufler at googlemail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I find Badges are a great idea. They should also be included into the
> >>>> WordPress Profile Pages. http://profiles.wordpress.org/users/ or
> >>>> http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/profile/ . BTW why are there
> >>>> different
> >>>> profile pages on wordpress.org?
> >>>>
> >>>> I currently don't review themes cause of my exams but I will begin
> >>>> reviewing again in 2 weeks ;)
> >>>>
> >>>> 2012/1/26 Rankin, Matthew W. (Student) <mrankin at my.ccsu.edu>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Not directly related to this email thread but seems like a good place
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> post it. I was thinking about why there aren't more volunteer
> reviewers
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> why many are slow to review themes. I think it may be because it
> lacks
> >>>>> incentive. So, I had an idea which may attract more reviewers and
> >>>>> increase
> >>>>> productivity among current reviewers. My idea is to create a
> WordPress
> >>>>> badge. Theme reviewers can post this badge on their own websites to
> say
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> they contribute to WordPress. You could even create different levels
> of
> >>>>> badges so as you review more themes you get higher level badges.
> It's a
> >>>>> simple idea which has proven effective on many websites around the
> web.
> >>>>> What
> >>>>> does everyone else think of this idea?
> >>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>> From: theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org
> >>>>> [theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org] on behalf of Rankin,
> >>>>> Matthew
> >>>>> W. (Student) [mrankin at my.ccsu.edu]
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:49 PM
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] splitting reviewers between queues
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'll do my best to follow your lead Chip. I've just been so busy
> lately
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> haven't had time to do many reviews. But I should be able to fit in
> one
> >>>>> theme a day.
> >>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>> From: theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org
> >>>>> [theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org] on behalf of Chip
> Bennett
> >>>>> [chip at chipbennett.net]
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:31 PM
> >>>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] splitting reviewers between queues
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't think a paradigm shift is necessary (or helpful) at this
> point.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The bottom line is: about 10 tickets per day are submitted. Thus, we
> >>>>> need
> >>>>> about 10 tickets per day reviewed and closed, in order to keep up
> with
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> submission rate. We are approaching 100 people who have reviewed
> >>>>> Themes. If
> >>>>> every person with ticket privileges reviewed two tickets, we would
> >>>>> exhaust
> >>>>> the current queue entirely.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've tried to push in the past to get reviewers to consider
> committing
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> a certain minimum level of participation, but as you've noted: it's
> not
> >>>>> practical. We ARE all volunteers, and all have extremely busy
> >>>>> schedules. (I
> >>>>> last saw a "40-hour work week" sometime last summer.) Efforts to get
> >>>>> such
> >>>>> commitments inevitably have the opposite effect, as IMX they have
> only
> >>>>> driven volunteers AWAY from contributing their time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That said: I'll do my best to lead by example. I will commit to
> >>>>> reviewing
> >>>>> one Theme per day, every day.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Chip
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Edward Caissie
> >>>>> <edward.caissie at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Although it shouldn't need to be written, but once again it appears
> a
> >>>>>> reminder appears to be needed ...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> To the best of my knowledge, every member of the current Theme
> Review
> >>>>>> Team is a volunteer. Every member also has a "full work load" with
> >>>>>> many
> >>>>>> simply unable to devote any time to this volunteer activity during
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> scheduled time. Many of the volunteers have other additional
> WordPress
> >>>>>> related activities that add to their typical "40-hour week" work
> load.
> >>>>>> We
> >>>>>> all have lives, too ... so, quite simply, we give what time we can
> and
> >>>>>> look
> >>>>>> to the community to contribute some of their time. Wait times, as
> >>>>>> noted many
> >>>>>> times, are inversely proportional to the amount of volunteer
> reviewers
> >>>>>> available to do the work.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We can appreciate the wait time is long and frustrating. This is not
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> only time this topic has been discussed, these are not the only
> ideas
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> have been considered. Unfortunately until their is perhaps a
> paradigm
> >>>>>> shift
> >>>>>> in regards to the WPTRT we may simply be forced to continue to
> endure
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> forge ahead under these conditions.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cais.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Bruce Wampler
> >>>>>> <weavertheme at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I would like to add my perspective on the review process.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have been submitting one theme - with revisions and slight name
> >>>>>>> modifications - for almost two years now - starting with 2010
> Weaver,
> >>>>>>> changed to simply Weaver, and now Weaver II.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Because Weaver II is a name change, and represents a total rewrite
> of
> >>>>>>> Weaver, it has been in the Priority Queue for almost 3 months now.
> >>>>>>> I've just
> >>>>>>> been sitting here waiting my turn.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But seriously - three months for new themes? The past week, the
> >>>>>>> review
> >>>>>>> rate has been only one new theme reviewed.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It is important to keep existing themes up to date - but to
> >>>>>>> essentially
> >>>>>>> have the new theme approval rate one a week will do nothing to
> >>>>>>> encourage
> >>>>>>> authors to submit new themes.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I had good reasons to change from Weaver to Weaver II, and perhaps
> >>>>>>> should have requested it be treated as a revision of the existing
> >>>>>>> approved
> >>>>>>> theme. But I don know if I knew three months ago, that I likely
> would
> >>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>> done things differently, including the possibility of simply
> >>>>>>> abandoning the
> >>>>>>> WP theme repository.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But Weaver II represents a cutting edge theme/framework that has
> (or
> >>>>>>> had three months ago) really new features, including what I think
> is
> >>>>>>> likely
> >>>>>>> the best mobile support of any WP theme. It is really frustrating
> to
> >>>>>>> see it
> >>>>>>> languish in the queue.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I just think a almost three month wait is excessive, and will
> >>>>>>> seriously
> >>>>>>> discourage developers from developing and submitting new themes.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The discussion of new 3.4 features seems almost silly since if the
> >>>>>>> new
> >>>>>>> queue theme stays at several months, it is likely that there won't
> be
> >>>>>>> any
> >>>>>>> new themes.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I believe is really important to keep fresh, new themes with
> cutting
> >>>>>>> edge features coming in for the future health of WordPress.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Just some thoughts. I believe something needs to be done. I'd
> >>>>>>> volunteer
> >>>>>>> to review some themes, but I have serious ethical concerns about
> >>>>>>> that, as
> >>>>>>> well as a full work load supporting my theme which has become very
> >>>>>>> popular
> >>>>>>> on its own while waiting on the queue.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Bruce Wampler
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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