[theme-reviewers] theme-reviewers Digest, Vol 18, Issue 30

Ryan Frankel ryan.frankel at gmail.com
Wed Nov 16 06:14:26 UTC 2011 

Let me preference this with I'm no expert…

Isn't the advantage of a CDN that on average, throughout the world, you would have a server close to pull the files from?  Without it, you page will always be served from the same location (say the U.S.).  But, with a CDN if you were in China you would be pulling jQuery/Fonts/Whatever fro a server that was closer.

Sorry if this is a reply to an off-topic message but I would be interested to know.

ryan


On Nov 16, 2011, at 1:05 AM, Emil Uzelac wrote:

> I don't think that this is the case Jeff, Google CDN is welcomed. As for the performance, well that is arguable topic. I had so much testing in past and whatever was hosted on my site directly was faster -vs using CDN such as Google. This is of course if you have reliable hosting provider. WP bundled -vs CDN at any time :) It's misleading to say that jQuery will be less responsive locally and that if you host it on Google the site will perform better or that the server will be less overloaded.
> 
> WordPress did a fine job with JS files and I personally would not go outside of bundled stuff. See http://gtmetrix.com/reports/themeid.com/2t6Lv8UW what I have done so far and this is without CDN or plugins. Also this was compared to usage with Plugins and CDN.
> 
> Bit out of topic, but... :)
> 
> Emil
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> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Jeff Sebring <jeff at jeffsebring.com> wrote:
> Why limit developers from using best practices for performance, like Google's CDN for jQuery and fonts with local fallbacks? 
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>  1. Re: external style sheets (Ryan Frankel)
>  2. Re: external style sheets (Otto)
>  3. Re: external style sheets (Simon Prosser)
>  4. Re: external style sheets (Daniel Fenn)
>  5. Re: external style sheets (Emil Uzelac)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 19:43:55 -0500
> From: Ryan Frankel <ryan.frankel at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] external style sheets
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> There is also the consideration of the advantages a CDN hosted font brings.
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> Ryan
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> On Nov 15, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Daniel Fenn wrote:
> 
>> Just a quick question, what the max file size that can be uploaded?
>> Just hat someone may include 2 or more fonts and make the zip file too
>> big to upload.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Edward Caissie
>>> <edward.caissie at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Given Otto's two comments I am seriously thinking we should be, starting with 3.3, RECOMMENDING all Theme assets (CSS, images, code, etc.) be included with the Theme package/archive; then moving to REQUIRED with 3.4 ... although the only real go-forward issue I see at the moment is the inclusion of Google-fonts (low-risk but still contravening this idea) this can be addressed as well (per Otto).
>>> 
>>> Note that all of Google's Web Fonts are available for download and can
>>> be easily included in a theme without too much trouble. Only potential
>>> issue is size, which I'm still thinking about.
>>> 
>>> Most of G's fonts are using the SIL Open Font License, which is GPLv2
>>> compatible. Some of the rest are using the Apache 2 License which is
>>> not GPLv2 compatible.
>>> 
>>> If a theme includes a font (or anything else reasonably separate),
>>> make sure that:
>>> a) the license for that font is documented in the theme's readme or in
>>> the stylesheet (all relevant licenses should always be listed
>>> somewhere)
>>> b) that the license is a compatible one (listed here:
>>> http://codex.wordpress.org/Theme_Review#GPL-Compatible_Font_Licenses)
>>> 
>>> -Otto
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> theme-reviewers mailing list
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:47:54 -0600
> From: Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com>
> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] external style sheets
> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
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> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Daniel Fenn <danielx386 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Just a quick question, what the max file size that can be uploaded?
>> Just hat someone may include 2 or more fonts and make the zip file too
>> big to upload.
> 
> 8 meg.
> 
> -Otto
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 00:49:26 +0000
> From: Simon Prosser <pross at pross.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] external style sheets
> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
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> I seem to remember someone trying to upload a 10M theme a while ago lol
> 
> On 16 November 2011 00:41, Daniel Fenn <danielx386 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Just a quick question, what the max file size that can be uploaded?
>> Just hat someone may include 2 or more fonts and make the zip file too
>> big to upload.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Edward Caissie
>>> <edward.caissie at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Given Otto's two comments I am seriously thinking we should be,
>> starting with 3.3, RECOMMENDING all Theme assets (CSS, images, code, etc.)
>> be included with the Theme package/archive; then moving to REQUIRED with
>> 3.4 ... although the only real go-forward issue I see at the moment is the
>> inclusion of Google-fonts (low-risk but still contravening this idea) this
>> can be addressed as well (per Otto).
>>> 
>>> Note that all of Google's Web Fonts are available for download and can
>>> be easily included in a theme without too much trouble. Only potential
>>> issue is size, which I'm still thinking about.
>>> 
>>> Most of G's fonts are using the SIL Open Font License, which is GPLv2
>>> compatible. Some of the rest are using the Apache 2 License which is
>>> not GPLv2 compatible.
>>> 
>>> If a theme includes a font (or anything else reasonably separate),
>>> make sure that:
>>> a) the license for that font is documented in the theme's readme or in
>>> the stylesheet (all relevant licenses should always be listed
>>> somewhere)
>>> b) that the license is a compatible one (listed here:
>>> http://codex.wordpress.org/Theme_Review#GPL-Compatible_Font_Licenses)
>>> 
>>> -Otto
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> theme-reviewers mailing list
>>> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>> http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers
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> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:50:43 +1100
> From: Daniel Fenn <danielx386 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] external style sheets
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> And that was why I asked :P
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> 
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> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Simon Prosser <pross at pross.org.uk> wrote:
>> I seem to remember someone trying to upload a 10M theme a while ago lol
>> 
>> On 16 November 2011 00:41, Daniel Fenn <danielx386 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just a quick question, what the max file size that can be uploaded?
>>> Just hat someone may include 2 or more fonts and make the zip file too
>>> big to upload.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Edward Caissie
>>>> <edward.caissie at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Given Otto's two comments I am seriously thinking we should be,
>>>>> starting with 3.3, RECOMMENDING all Theme assets (CSS, images, code, etc.)
>>>>> be included with the Theme package/archive; then moving to REQUIRED with 3.4
>>>>> ... although the only real go-forward issue I see at the moment is the
>>>>> inclusion of Google-fonts (low-risk but still contravening this idea) this
>>>>> can be addressed as well (per Otto).
>>>> 
>>>> Note that all of Google's Web Fonts are available for download and can
>>>> be easily included in a theme without too much trouble. Only potential
>>>> issue is size, which I'm still thinking about.
>>>> 
>>>> Most of G's fonts are using the?SIL Open Font License, which is GPLv2
>>>> compatible. Some of the rest are using the Apache 2 License which is
>>>> not GPLv2 compatible.
>>>> 
>>>> If a theme includes a font (or anything else reasonably separate),
>>>> make sure that:
>>>> a) the license for that font is documented in the theme's readme or in
>>>> the stylesheet (all relevant licenses should always be listed
>>>> somewhere)
>>>> b) that the license is a compatible one (listed here:
>>>> http://codex.wordpress.org/Theme_Review#GPL-Compatible_Font_Licenses)
>>>> 
>>>> -Otto
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> theme-reviewers mailing list
>>>> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>> http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers
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>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:51:31 -0600
> From: Emil Uzelac <emil at themeid.com>
> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] external style sheets
> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
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> even if you include PSDs should not be that much ;)
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> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Simon Prosser <pross at pross.org.uk> wrote:
> 
>> I seem to remember someone trying to upload a 10M theme a while ago lol
>> 
>> 
>> On 16 November 2011 00:41, Daniel Fenn <danielx386 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Just a quick question, what the max file size that can be uploaded?
>>> Just hat someone may include 2 or more fonts and make the zip file too
>>> big to upload.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Edward Caissie
>>>> <edward.caissie at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Given Otto's two comments I am seriously thinking we should be,
>>> starting with 3.3, RECOMMENDING all Theme assets (CSS, images, code, etc.)
>>> be included with the Theme package/archive; then moving to REQUIRED with
>>> 3.4 ... although the only real go-forward issue I see at the moment is the
>>> inclusion of Google-fonts (low-risk but still contravening this idea) this
>>> can be addressed as well (per Otto).
>>>> 
>>>> Note that all of Google's Web Fonts are available for download and can
>>>> be easily included in a theme without too much trouble. Only potential
>>>> issue is size, which I'm still thinking about.
>>>> 
>>>> Most of G's fonts are using the SIL Open Font License, which is GPLv2
>>>> compatible. Some of the rest are using the Apache 2 License which is
>>>> not GPLv2 compatible.
>>>> 
>>>> If a theme includes a font (or anything else reasonably separate),
>>>> make sure that:
>>>> a) the license for that font is documented in the theme's readme or in
>>>> the stylesheet (all relevant licenses should always be listed
>>>> somewhere)
>>>> b) that the license is a compatible one (listed here:
>>>> http://codex.wordpress.org/Theme_Review#GPL-Compatible_Font_Licenses)
>>>> 
>>>> -Otto
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> theme-reviewers mailing list
>>>> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>> http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers
>>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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