[theme-reviewers] MS Expressions in CSS

[Philip Walton]

Sayontan, for some reason I didn't see your response before writing mine,
sorry about that.

As for your statistics you cite, those are always hard to guage. There's no
such thing as "actual" statistics (though some claim to be), and depending
on where you're looking certain browsers rank higher than others. For
example, I run a college's website and we gets 150,000+ hits/month. On our
site the #1 browser is Safari at 49.72% and IE6 is 0.44%, so my decisions
are pretty easy.

Anyway, Emil is right, I don't think we'd reject a theme for using invalid
CSS if it was an attempt to support an old browser.

But I still personally wouldn't do it. As developers we have the power to
sway the course of history!

Philip


On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Sayontan Sinha <sayontan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Moreover, almost every article I've ever read on decreasing page load times
>> has listed CSS expressions as something to avoid.
>>
>
> I have gotten expressions out of native code in my theme for the most part.
> The problem lies in certain scripts that I bundle, like FancyBox. FancyBox's
> default styling includes proprietary MS filters and replacing them needs a
> lot of effort and testing, hence the question.
>
>
> If this were a company situation where you were being paid to support IE6,
>> that would be something different, but this is a public theme repository.
>>
>
> As I wrote in response to Emil's mail, the issue here is IE6's market
> share, which is higher than Safari's, Chrome's and a lot of other browsers'
> (including FF 4, IE7 and IE9). A lot of people who use WordPress for their
> sites as well as users of those sites would fall in the IE6 bucket, so
> ignoring them is not very wise.
>
> Again, as I said, I personally don't care for IE6 on my own sites:
> analytics on my sites tell me which browsers are used by most visitors, and
> I can safely design a site telling the minuscule percentage of IE6 users to
> move to a better browser. But the same analytics don't apply to people using
> what is a freely available WP theme and I (and many others) would like to
> give theme users the comfort that their sites don't break horribly in IE6.
> It doesn't have to be pixel perfect, but it should look wacko either. WP
> after all is not just for developers and theme users: it is also for the
> users of the content people publish.
>
> Cheers,
> Sayontan.
>
>
> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Philip Walton <philip at philipwalton.com>wrote:
>
>> I second what Emil says.
>>
>> If this were a company situation where you were being paid to support IE6,
>> that would be something different, but this is a public theme repository.
>> WordPress is and always has been about Web standards and pushing them
>> forward.
>>
>> Moreover, almost every article I've ever read on decreasing page load
>> times has listed CSS expressions as something to avoid.
>>
>> Philip
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at themeid.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just out of curiosity why bother with IE6? Even Microsoft itself
>>> recommends upgrade http://www.theie6countdown.com. Last time I had any
>>> support for IE6 was 2+ years ago, IMHO any developer that continues
>>> supporting IE6 isn't helping the Internet. As far as being rejected because
>>> of that no.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Emil
>>>
>>> *----*
>>> *Emil Uzelac* | ThemeID | T: 224-444-0006 | Twitter: @EmilUzelac | E:
>>> emil at themeid.com | http://themeid.com
>>> Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler. - Albert Einstein
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Sayontan Sinha <sayontan at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> What are the general guidelines for usage of MS Expressions in CSS in
>>>> themes (for compatibility with IE6)? This is an accepted method in the
>>>> industry, but W3C's CSS validator reports these as syntax errors. Would
>>>> themes be rejected for these?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Sayontan.
>>>>
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